Who thinks Schumacher finally should retire?

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11th June 2012, 19:03
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by jens

This kind of post is pretty low-class. You have been warned for insults in the past and basically this is another one, which warrants a warning...

Also Knock-on and whoever discusses with Garry Walker should avoid getting personal as well. You know that after that the quality of discussion goes completely off the rails.

Just out of curiosity, did you by any chance see the post to which I replied?
11th June 2012, 19:12
jens

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Just out of curiosity, did you by any chance see the post to which I replied?

Yes, I did. And this is why I mentioned others in my reply as well. :)
11th June 2012, 19:12
Firstgear

Garry, you predicted Michael would thrash Nico when his comeback was anounced. Being wrong seems to be a difficult pill for you to swallow. What Michael is going through - call it mistakes, team error, karma, whatever - aren't making a huge difference. As Knock-on pointed out, when he finished a race - he comes in 10th and gets one point. At that rate, even if he had a repeat of the increadible good fortune reliability wise he had at Ferrari, that would still leave him with 7 races X 1 point = 7 points. It brings him up above the Torro's into 16th in the standings. Compare that with Nico (the guy that was supposed to get thrashed) with 67 points, in 5th overall.

I think Nico enjoys having Michael as a teammate just about as much as Alonso enjoys having Massa.
11th June 2012, 19:13
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm not looking to get personal here either so I'll keep my opinions on this one and take the stage door to the left lol. :)

I am not sure what's the problem, there has been no personal attacks from me here, not at least against you.
11th June 2012, 19:15
jens

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Originally Posted by Firstgear

Garry, you predicted Michael would thrash Nico when his comeback was anounced. Being wrong seems to be a difficult pill for you to swallow. What Michael is going through - call it mistakes, team error, karma, whatever - aren't making a huge difference. As Knock-on pointed out, when he finished a race - he comes in 10th and gets one point. At that rate, even if he had a repeat of the increadible good fortune reliability wise he had at Ferrari, that would still leave him with 7 races X 1 point = 7 points. It brings him up above the Torro's into 16th in the standings. Compare that with Nico (the guy that was supposed to get thrashed) with 67 points, in 5th overall.

I think Nico enjoys having Michael as a teammate just about as much as Alonso enjoys having Massa.

Hard to analyze it like that. Because even in those races, where Schumacher finished 10th, he was compromised (after the start he was at the back in Malaysia and Bahrain). Overall I do think Rosberg has the upper hand, but Schumacher is really close. Far from the Massa case, to be frank.
11th June 2012, 19:21
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by Firstgear

Garry, you predicted Michael would thrash Nico when his comeback was anounced.

Absolutely. Little did I predict MS would suck so much for the next 1,5 years. Thankfully, those 1,5 years have passed.

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Being wrong seems to be a difficult pill for you to swallow.

Absolutely, I hate being wrong, but I am man enough to admit to my mistakes. As I have proven right here.

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What Michael is going through - call it mistakes, team error, karma, whatever - aren't making a huge difference. As Knock-on pointed out, when he finished a race - he comes in 10th and gets one point.

By any chance do you know how those 10th places came? One came after he had qualified 3rd and was rammed out in the 2nd corner by Grosjean, after what he ended the 1st lap in 16th place. In the very same race, Nico Rosberg finished 30 seconds behind MS, despite having no such problems and despite being in 6th place after lap 1.
At Bahrain, he had a car problem in qualifying and due to that his race was pretty much ruined from that point on, in fact, to make things worse his gearbox was changed as well, so he started from pos.22. Quite a good race by him actually.

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At that rate, even if he had a repeat of the increadible good fortune reliability wise he had at Ferrari, that would still leave him with 7 races X 1 point = 7 points. It brings him up above the Torro's into 16th in the standings. Compare that with Nico (the guy that was supposed to get thrashed) with 67 points, in 5th overall.

This really isn't a very strong analysis.

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I think Nico enjoys having Michael as a teammate just about as much as Alonso enjoys having Massa.

I think it is far from that
11th June 2012, 20:52
Firstgear

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Absolutely. Little did I predict MS would suck so much for the next 1,5 years. Thankfully, those 1,5 years have passed.

Absolutely, I hate being wrong, but I am man enough to admit to my mistakes. As I have proven right here.

By any chance do you know how those 10th places came? One came after he had qualified 3rd and was rammed out in the 2nd corner by Grosjean, after what he ended the 1st lap in 16th place. In the very same race, Nico Rosberg finished 30 seconds behind MS, despite having no such problems and despite being in 6th place after lap 1.
At Bahrain, he had a car problem in qualifying and due to that his race was pretty much ruined from that point on, in fact, to make things worse his gearbox was changed as well, so he started from pos.22. Quite a good race by him actually.

This really isn't a very strong analysis.

I think it is far from that

As far as the analysis - lets wait til later in the season. Maybe I'll have to admit my mistake, as you have done above.

Teammates - If you were an F1 driver, what would put a bigger smile on your face, thrashing Massa or Schumacher.
11th June 2012, 23:46
Knock-on

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Originally Posted by jens

This kind of post is pretty low-class. You have been warned for insults in the past and basically this is another one, which warrants a warning...

Also Knock-on and whoever discusses with Garry Walker should avoid getting personal as well. You know that after that the quality of discussion goes off the rails.

I have no problem with Gazza's language, tone or content. I appreciate that these days the forum has become almost clinical in it's conversation but IMHO that is to it's detriment.

Sometimes I miss the old days when we could point out when people are defending the indefensible without having to use sanitised language. Hell, we could even use bad language, bad grammer or god forbid, bad spelling.

I suppose us Dinosaurs are approaching extinction and I say bring it fecking on...

BTW Garry, I like post #122 but give up on Chop Chop. He's well done. ;)
12th June 2012, 19:21
Malbec

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Originally Posted by Firstgear

Teammates - If you were an F1 driver, what would put a bigger smile on your face, thrashing Massa or Schumacher.

This season, I'd say beating Massa. It wouldn't give me much satisfaction beating a guy whose car doesn't even work.
12th June 2012, 23:01
i_max2k2

I frankly see some pretty stupid reasoning on how people are blaming him for his run this season, now this is not really what was definitely going to happen, but at least it gives us a look at the best case scenario.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/an...g-title-chase/

Even in Canada during qualifying he was faster then rosberg in q1 and q2, and was looking pretty strong for the race, because of his teams mistake he ended up 9th. He has had a measure for Rosberg for most of this season pace wise, and I don't see any reason for him deserving any thrashing from anyone.

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