Do You Know the Real Islam?

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I have been really disappointed with the intolerance and even hatred directed at the Muslim faith on here. Growing up in the 70's, I can only liken it to xenophobic distrust of Blacks and Asians of that era.

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Its also quite shocking to see how widely accepted intolerance/hatred of Muslims is. It seems to be acceptable to say things about them which would never be tolerated about other faiths.

I suspect if the same comments were directed at Jews or the Jewish faith instead there would be swift condemnation.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

Its also quite shocking to see how widely accepted intolerance/hatred of Muslims is. It seems to be acceptable to say things about them which would never be tolerated about other faiths.

I suspect if the same comments were directed at Jews or the Jewish faith instead there would be swift condemnation.

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/well you euros are not too bright about what is going on so I can at least point you in the right direction

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

If that is what you think then I'm afraid you will have to exclude yourself from this discussion, because you have declared yourself incompetent to proceed with an open mind.

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So are you going to tell us what you believe or not?

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Originally Posted by jens

For me the main point of a religion is not a 'God' itself, but the way it affects the lifestyle and thinking of human beings in everyday life. Genuinely religious people tend to be genuinely good-hearted, friendly, open, warm and caring for others. So they have put the main philosophical aims of their life in place, which are the basis of achieving real happiness. And this is what I really value in their case.
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Is it always though?

As the late Hitchens put it - organised religion is 'violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children'.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I have been really disappointed with the intolerance and even hatred directed at the Muslim faith on here. Growing up in the 70's, I can only liken it to xenophobic distrust of Blacks and Asians of that era.

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And what a surprise that so much of it is so badly written. I mean this as a serious point, not as one of my occasional digs at poor standards of English. Quite telling, I think.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I have been really disappointed with the intolerance and even hatred directed at the Muslim faith on here. Growing up in the 70's, I can only liken it to xenophobic distrust of Blacks and Asians of that era.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

Its also quite shocking to see how widely accepted intolerance/hatred of Muslims is. It seems to be acceptable to say things about them which would never be tolerated about other faiths.

I suspect if the same comments were directed at Jews or the Jewish faith instead there would be swift condemnation.

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As some one who has a muslim father and a christian mother and having knowledge of both faiths I quite often have to question whether certain posters on this forum really believe some of the things they say or whether they are saying them for effect to cause confrontation. I generally just tend to skip over posts with the more extreme views on the muslim faith unless I want a really good laugh.

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Originally Posted by GridGirl

As some one who has a muslim father and a christian mother and having knowledge of both faiths I quite often have to question whether certain posters on this forum really believe some of the things they say or whether they are saying them for effect to cause confrontation. I generally just tend to skip over posts with the more extreme views on the muslim faith unless I want a really good laugh.

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I agree that we have seen posts here aimed at Islam that are nothing than scaremongering and paranoia.

But I am not in favour of the general view that religion deserves respect just because it is religion. Religion needs to be criticised and countered in the same way one would if they disagreed with certain views on politics, music, art etc.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

But I am not in favour of the general view that religion deserves respect just because it is religion. Religion needs to be criticised and countered in the same way one would if they disagreed with certain views on politics, music, art etc.

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I agree.

While I have not went and looked for the passage - My understanding is the book says "kill the infidels" Based on their definition of infidel that seems i could be one. I am not going to support or accept religion that says to kill me. Its not paranoia or scaremongering. Its a commitment. To back that up I just purchased new s&w 460 mag. There is a Benelli on the horizon with a XDM .40 19 shot home defense pistol. But I will admit my PETN experience is light so I better get trucking on some education. Now if a muslim wants to swear off the religion then what would that person become?? To listen to the ration of bullish!t saying "Oh they don't practice that" it is fairly obvious they recruit and it IS a worldwide problem. So I am supposed to figure out who is non extremist and who is an extremist? Some religions kill there own family members. I am not here to sort all this crap out but if confronted I my eliminate some of it. There are "Whack" christians and I don't cut them any air either. Right now in this country we have very few daily bomb deaths from whackos - I want to keep it that way. The best way to do that is "DON'T CREATE THE ENVIRONMENT.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Is it always though?

As the late Hitchens put it - organised religion is 'violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children'.

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In this case the religion has not been understood properly, those people are not truly religious, they are egoistic with other "values", pretenders of the name of 'religion'. Like with everything, all depends on interpretation. It's not only about religion, but in every field there are people, who make a bad name for it. But it doesn't mean we should take the whole subject and everyone involved with prejudice.