Kimi! Yeah (Raikkonen confirmed at Renault)

I notice a distinct lack of forum members complaining about Red Bull allowing Webber to take laps on the back of the bike w/ Troy Bayliss at the end of last yr - or is it just a Lotus witch-hunt?

End of the day they aren't robots; accidents do happen; drivers have the choice whether they want to wrap themselves in cotton wool outside the season and team's have the ability to contract such that a driver is limited in what they can/can't do outside the cockpit to a reasonable extent.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

And you did not get fired at the spot? If my employee had behaved like that, I would have fired him right there and then and thrown him out.

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Right. Well I wouldn't. I'd understand where they're coming from.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

And you did not get fired at the spot? If my employee had behaved like that, I would have fired him right there and then and thrown him out.

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And you'd have had a fine lawsuit on your hands as well. Paddy's boss or any boss does not have a right to dictate what their employees in their free time unless it is enforced by contract.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

And you'd have had a fine lawsuit on your hands as well. Paddy's boss or any boss does not have a right to dictate what their employees in their free time unless it is enforced by contract.

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If you reinjure yourself during sickness leave doing something your injured body-part clearly was not ready for, you will find I have a very good case going for me.
You will also find that I have enough experience in dealing with employees and if I want to get rid of someone, let's put it this way, I will get rid of him. It will also hold up in court.

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Originally Posted by henners88

As far as I am aware injuring ones self outside of work is not a sackable offence. If you were an employer and you did sack somebody, I think you'd find yourself in hot water especially if that employee had a permanent contract. In any case employers are aware of their rights concerning employee's and the days of sacking people for slight infringements is long gone. Gross misconduct is another matter, but even that is investigated and processed through the proper channels.

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Again, I have enough experience dealing with employees, in fact, I have been in court for that (obviously I won). My point was that someone telling me to shove it will not spend another day working at my company, it is really that simple.

I would keep my expectations down in order to avoid a massive disappointment, which is seems highly likely. It is sufficient to observe Schumacher's uneventful return in 2010-2011. It's possible to draw too many parallels. Both former world champions left Ferrari after a not-so-good season. Both spent 2-3 years off and both return/returned to drive a car that can't fight the top three teams on equal terms.

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Originally Posted by zako85

Both former world champions left Ferrari after a not-so-good season.

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I thought their final seasons were pretty good. Just the team thought that this 'good' was not enough and felt the need to move on. Of course in Schumacher's case age was and is working against him too.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

And you did not get fired at the spot? If my employee had behaved like that, I would have fired him right there and then and thrown him out.

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...and you'd be done for unfair dismissal. You'd've been within your rights to have written the first warning though - two more and they are out........

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

And you'd have had a fine lawsuit on your hands as well. Paddy's boss or any boss does not have a right to dictate what their employees in their free time unless it is enforced by contract.

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True - but if you are off work due to an injury preventing you from working, you cannot then decide you can do 'other stuff' while you are off.

I used to (actually, I still unofficially do) work for a property chap who was renowned for sacking people. They were morons mind you, but I recall one day (we used to have a door entry key code thingy that would get changed when a bod got the boot) when that door code changed about 5 times!

He was a ******* to work for, I had to duck the odd flying mobile phone or coffee pot. On the flip side, loyalty was rewarded. I would not be living where I am now if it were not for this chap......

Can we please keep this on topic (Kimi) thank you :)