Government is evil...

Let's run with this then:

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Here is the only definition of rights that has any bearing on persons as these are, or can be defended by legal process:
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Natural rights are those that are believed to grow out of the nature of the individual human being and depend on her personality, such as the rights to life, liberty, privacy, and the pursuit of happiness.

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I think I captured the spirit of this right at the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

people's rights extend from their inherent dignity as human beings.

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Would you like proof of the inherent dignity of human beings? Genesis 1:27 and Psalm 8 should suffice. Who would give mankind that inherent dignity?

Check and Mate. QED.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Let's run with this then:

I think I captured the spirit of this right at the beginning.

Would you like proof of the inherent dignity of human beings? Genesis 1:27 and Psalm 8 should suffice. Who would give mankind that inherent dignity?

Check and Mate. QED.

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I am afraid you did the basic Bible quoters stunt with my paste, you put, out of context only that which served you.
You forgot--In --CONSTITUTIONAL LAW-- rights are --CLASSIFIED-- as natural, civil, and political.


Gen. 1:
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them--- and man took that image and corrupted it; there is nothing that speaks of dignity there.

Sorry, but in todays world, and the world of man-- no legal backing it does not exist, which is why the full text of what I pasted said CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.
We are not speaking of rewards in heaven and man's soul; we are speaking of survival and life on earth, under man's law.
Ideological ideals are worth nothing, except to feel good philosophers.

Natural rights DO NOT exist. They have no legal backing.

Mark chapter 7:
15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. 16If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

17And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. 18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? 20And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

If that is dignified, one has very low standards.
Checkmate.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So if you are born, you don't necessarily have the right to life? Again, are you really serious about this?

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Why are you surprised, Chuck? You might link that to the abortion debate and you'll get a comprehensive picture of certain people's mentality.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I am with Bob on this. I question how your point can be argued with any certainty. Take, for instance, the right to life. How did this come about without someone — if not in government, then with some measure of authority — intervening to defend said right? There has to be some measure of intervention if rights are to be enforced.

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Right to life - that was probably dictated to us by some chinless wonder in Brussels who wrapped it up in something the criminally minded use to get away with their crimes - it's called the human rights act.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

What is a legal system one lives under if not the government?



Have you ever actually read the Bible? Ever hear of a little thing called the 10 Commandments? What do you think is the basis of law?

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The Bible - is that document fact, or just heresay from the 'witness accounts' of people who may or may not exist, but no-one has as yet been able to prove existed.....

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

So how did we all get here then?

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UPS delivery - it wasn't on time I might add, and the state of society today tells you the goods were damaged in transit..... :p

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Maybe I should have been more clear. Let us go back to when human life began. In what sense did rights develop as soon as the first human being came into existence? They did not automatically exist. They, and all value systems, had to develop. Who was responsible for their development? As I said, not everybody, but certain individuals. In that process, certain rights will naturally have been taken away — the right to kill, for example. I fail to understand the difference between that process and the notion of formal government bestowing and denying rights.

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Do animals have or need rights, let alone government - they get along just fine (the ones that are not buggered out of existence by humans that is)

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

How did this happen, 1 minute no humans, the next, pow humans all over the planet?

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Earth's immigration policy failed.... :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

I think he is might have the same reasoning as to why I don't believe in Father Christmas.

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What, no Santa? :bigcry:

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

but if say God doesn't exist then how did we as a species turn up? Can't be evolution as there aren't any of our earlier versions being found.

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That's not strictly true - it is accepted by many that we evolved from apes.

Father Christmas is an invention to sell toys.

Is God/Jesus an invention for the financial benefit of the Church?

Why are so many priests child molestors? A God surely would not be that evil to create such monsters????

All just my opinion of course......