Student Riots

But its taxes as you say!!!
You do not have to go to Uni to be able to earn a fantastic amount of money,some or the richest guys i know,who have very large companys,and earn large amounts of money,have never been to Uni at all.
Why should I or anyone else who never went ,or wanted to go to Uni be jealous of people who do?
I have only ever worked for 2 differant employees in my 50 years of working ,and my employment with both of then totalled only 5 years,for the last 45 years i have run my own company.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Very good point.
Let's see who's at fault for what happened with the educational system, the students or the politicians? Most of us know the answer.

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The kids aren't any cleverer or thicker than 10, 20, 50 years ago, the exams just got piss easy to make the politicians/teachers look like they were doing a good job, not to mention this whole 'nobody loses everyone wins' train of thinking.

Telling the nation's kids that 50% of them will go to Uni was a silly thing to do, as 50% of the nation are not degree material, seem to recall in the past it was 1% that went to Uni. Not to mention if all the 19 year old are filming their mates staring out to a quayside looking moody and enigmatic, who does the jobs that apprentices used to do?

There are far too many kids at Uni, it needs cutting back on top of them paying a larger percentage of their tuition fees.

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Originally Posted by ioan

FYI I am paying over 1700 Euro taxes/month and I would love it if at least 50% would be used to allow free access to high level education.

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We don't have the Euro in England, thankfully.

But I pay taxes for ever other bugger's kids and on top of that I pay for my own children's private education so don't see why I should pay any more, in fact I should be given a tax break for easing the burden on the state.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Clobber the sociology & psychology wasters not the nurses, teachers etc

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I know a psychology graduate too, who now works in a Category B prison and her job is entirely relevant to her degree. She was also particularly interested in the subject and university allowed her to develop her knowledge further. Psychology might not be for you sir, but there are some people who shouldn't be shafted who can put their knowledge to good use. The problem is that there may be a few too many people studying psychology. Discourage, don't discriminate.

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Originally Posted by driveace

.Why should everybody be paying the tab for students,who just want to avoid doing what everybody else has to do and WORK!!!
Yes we need the Doctors,scientists,etc,but lots of thess courses,are anly 6to 8 hours of lessons a week,and are Micky Mouse courses.
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I don't have any children so why am I working and paying taxes so parents can receive child benefit?
I also don't smoke so why is my money being used for government initiatives to help people quit smoking?
I also work hard to pay taxes which are spent on public transport when I happily drive when I need to get anywhere.
Don't get me started on the war in Iraq!

Being a taxpayer doesn't mean I can pick and choose where the money gets spent or indeed not spent. As a taxpayer I don't want Education funding to be marginalised, both for institutions and students. Education funding in the UK is shocking. Shockingly bad and looks to get worse. Perfectly able students will be put off studying for degree courses by the fear of overwhelming debt. I know if I was 17/18 and facing the prospect of being swamped in fees, I wouldn't study. How many professionals are we going to lose?

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Originally Posted by driveace

But its taxes as you say!!!
You do not have to go to Uni to be able to earn a fantastic amount of money,some or the richest guys i know,who have very large companys,and earn large amounts of money,have never been to Uni at all.
Why should I or anyone else who never went ,or wanted to go to Uni be jealous of people who do?
I have only ever worked for 2 differant employees in my 50 years of working ,and my employment with both of then totalled only 5 years,for the last 45 years i have run my own company.

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I did not go to the University to earn lots of money afterward, I did it to learn things that I was interested in and man am I glad I did. I would do it again if I were to restart my life.

It is my own belief that studying at the university is profoundly different from doing it at lower levels (high school and earlier), IMO it helps one broaden it's views and define his philosophy of lie and work.

I do not know if you are jealous or not, what I would like to see is that people do not criticize students based on preconceived ideas.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Pentti Airikkala

Had the pleasure a couple of times, great bloke

http://www.flyingfinns.com/airikkal.htm

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I never got to meet the man sadly.

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Originally Posted by driveace

But its taxes as you say!!!
You do not have to go to Uni to be able to earn a fantastic amount of money,some or the richest guys i know,who have very large companys,and earn large amounts of money,have never been to Uni at all.
Why should I or anyone else who never went ,or wanted to go to Uni be jealous of people who do?
I have only ever worked for 2 differant employees in my 50 years of working ,and my employment with both of then totalled only 5 years,for the last 45 years i have run my own company.

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What you need to do is separate business and academia. Anyone, degree level or not, can start a business and earn good money.

Not everyone has the capability or drive to go to university and read into the subject that they want, to further their knowledge and contribute to everyone else's, research existing and new topics and come up with new and innovative ideas. Those who do would rather not have to pay such vast amounts for it, or pay the national debt through the withdrawal of funding for education. After all they are some of the biggest contributors to society.

Before anyone comes back at me with yet another reference to history of art or sociology - I am obviously not referring to these.

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Originally Posted by driveace

But its taxes as you say!!!
You do not have to go to Uni to be able to earn a fantastic amount of money,some or the richest guys i know,who have very large companys,and earn large amounts of money,have never been to Uni at all.
Why should I or anyone else who never went ,or wanted to go to Uni be jealous of people who do?
I have only ever worked for 2 differant employees in my 50 years of working ,and my employment with both of then totalled only 5 years,for the last 45 years i have run my own company.

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What, may I ask, has any of this to do with the issue of tuition fees?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What, may I ask, has any of this to do with the issue of tuition fees?

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We need more people studying English Language at university?

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

We need more people studying English Language at university?

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What? Me fail English? That's unpossible!