Red Bull + Wings

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

In 2009 Jenson Button

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Um unless you are implying that it was actually Jenson who snuck into the Red Bull garage after fp3 and swapped the wings himself your "Jenson Button is the greatest living thing in the whole wide universe" doesn't belong in this thread...

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

In 2009 Jenson Button was given a good car and made good use of it by effectively dominating the first half of the WDC and winning the title.

He was accused of being "unworthy" and other such nonsense because the "car was so good".

He was also considered by many that ought to have known better to be "past it" and so on.

Vettel on the other hand is proclaimed as the "next Schumi" and given a car that is the class of the field yet he has accomplsihed what at this stage? Two wins and fourth in the title race so far.

His lesser rated teammate has qualified on pole equally and has won three grands prix as well as now being ahead in the WDC.

Despite overt preference in the team, Vettel is no example of great performance.

At this stage the German driver cannot be too proud of himself.

Thats the difference between Jense and Vettel - the former ALWAYS does his best and his supporters have NEVER had reason to not be proud of him. Jense is not the quickest driver in f1 but there is nobody more special.

Vettel supporters cannot say the same at all.

To Jense from his supporters: thanks so much indeed!

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Once all the sycophantic nonsense has been stripped out of this post, it makes good sense.

Jenson did a great job for the team and himself last year. He had a nervous end to the season which was probably more in his own head but after having an advantage for the first few races, drove well and brought home the championship. As far as personal opinions about him being not worthy :laugh: I think we can all see he is doing a comparable job against who I think is the best driver in F1 in the McLaren team this year.

With Seb, we are seeing some serious issues. Crashing into his team mate and over aggressive driving has seriously damaged his chances. The RBR car is still ahead of the field as far as performance goes but he is lagging seriously in the standings. At the end of the day, you have to look at results and ultimatly bulls**t takes it's walk.

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Originally Posted by PSfan

As I've mentioned already, considering Vettel's mechanical gremlins, his extra DNF, and Mark's extra win, Seb is looking pretty good by only being 7 points down on Webber, Vettel's done nothing? that doesn't say much about Webber either...



Mark has to look at the championship standing and realize that while the Red Bull is clearly the best car on the grid, the drivers are 3 and 4th in the championship and if he really was a team player, he would do everything in his power to move both he, and Vettel ahead of those Mcleran drivers.



I've managed to develop a new theory on the events, I think it would have been logical with only 2 of the new wings that only one of the drivers where gonna qualify/race with it, even before the one on Vettel's car fell off in practice. With the way the Red Bull wings where covered even during friday practice, I think Webber and Flav where prepping us for this very scenario. I think Had Webber gotten the new wing, he would have been made out as the guinea pig, Vettel get the new wing, he got the better wing, and either way showing favoritism towards Vettel.

As for his turn of face, "I shouldn't have made this public" bs... I'll read mission accomplished into that. I'm sure that Mark's gotten all kinds of assurances that there currently isn't favoritism and won't be at the next race unless Webber gets the newer parts, and he's brought it to the public fore, So Red Bull will really have to thread lightly as not to have this controversy spark up again...

But most of all, I think this whole "wing-gate" saga has once again pointed out just how big a hypocrite Mark is... I think he deserves all the sympathy from being treated like a number 2 driver has he showed Pizzonia when he made similar rublings when they where both at Jaguar...

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The "vicious prawn" is just a taste of what's to come PSfan .
Twill not be as "sauer" for the "kraut" on home soil , as the team serves up a dish of loose nuts for #1 .
Maybe Marky can get those watchdogs that McLaren had for Lulu and Fred to come in and keep that awful Marko from barbequeing without a licence .

Crank the conspiracy a 180 , and we get Seb wondering who that mechanical gremlin was in those first races ,because he would have walked away from this "not bad for a number two driver" talk with fifty or so more points in pocket .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...-2-driver.html

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Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz has broken his silence in the team’s ongoing driver favouritism row to declare that he would rather lose this year’s championship than back one of his charges over the other.

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...-2-driver.html

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Its way past time that DM waded publicly into this situation.

The problem is if he denies triggering the situation and Horner declares he had no choice then who are the mystery Austrian bosses that sent the directive?

I reckon DM is talking out of both sides. He has witnessed the diabolical pr that it triggered in front of the MOST knowledgeable crowd in racing and the circuit was chockers.

He declares that he does not mind losing the championships? At least Ron Dennis doesn't spin this nonsense. This looks more like the wholesale bs that is lapped up during elections in the United States.

A team has to have a strong principle leading it at the helm. Just like any army unit. What he says AT THE TRACK is law.

In my view this whole issue returns to the weak commander that RBR has, Horner. He should have made the proper decision and stood up to the Austrians.

Webber , according to one engineer , didn't want the wing until they offered it to Vettel .
http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsp...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS

It's been claimed Webber was given old chassis but Horner has put another 'spin' on the front wing debacle by revealing that Webber had a new floor and a lighter chassis.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...-eddie-irvine/

They would have had to make it lighter as Webber weighs more than Vettel. Seriously, this topic has had it's 15 minutes and more. Isn't it time we all moved on, at least until we actually get something new happening that we talk about.

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Originally Posted by Ent

Isn't it time we all moved on, at least until we actually get something new happening that we talk about.

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You're not from round here, are you? :p

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think thats called having that competitive edge over your teammate, and although the story is abit of a none event, it also doesn't justify against the stance that Webber really should have been informed of something as significant as a front wing being removed from his car. Horner has apologised and admitted this in hindsight and hopefully the communication glitch concerning Red Bull's management is being worked on so we don't see more embarrassing incidents like this in the future.

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Perhaps a non-event , but it shows what opinion at least one of the engineers has of Webber .

He had better be quick enough in future to be worth suffering his mouth .