new engine rules

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Originally Posted by veeten

I'm sorry, Bob, but this is why I felt that USAC 'missed the boat' and should've bought up the rights to Formula 5000 when SCCA let it die to recreate Can Am.

With the rules as they stood, it would've been the best chance to utilize a small block 'stock block' engine formula, and still have the ability to out-CART CART before it even had a chance.

That's USAC's fault for not working towards the future and being a slave to the past, and it's cost them dearly.

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I regret that to a strong point I agree, but it was the SCCA who running the cluster-f. at that point in time with
Formula A and the pathetic new Can-Am.
As if putting on fenders and changing the name was going make things better.
Only the fact that Porsche walked from the IMSA, saved the Trans-Am, at that point in time.
Remember USAC did bring back road-racing in 1977, including in the U.K., but sadly the BOD who instituted that, died the next year.
At the same time, it was USAC, and later CART, who both refused to give the stock-block the extra thirty-five inches Gurney said they needed to be competitive with the blown engines.

Of course had USAC banned the blowers, kept the 355 inch stock-blocks, and dropped the DOHC racing engine size from 256 down to 183 or three liters as the F-1 cars were using, THAT, could have been very interesting.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Show me where I said that about you, please.

If you think that was about you, you are both a bit paranoid and self-centered.
But you are welcome to your opinions.

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I am a road racing fan....so.......?????

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

I am a road racing fan....so.......?????

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Road racing was always my favorite type of motorsports.
I used to attend from four to six races every year, but that does not mean if one likes road racing one is an effete snob; or if one likes stock cars, one is a red-neck Earnhadrt wannabe; or if one likes sprint cars, one is a red-neck Kinser wannabe; etc.

At least in the real world.

If Miller (and that's a big IF!) is at all correct, that Ford, Renault (Nissan?) and Audi have some interest in this engine formula proposal, I don't think their decisions will have much to do with what the editors of "gearhead" magazines think. It's more likely that the BoD's at these companies will review the costs of R&D for various engine configurations, the stability of the rules, the health of the series in question and then weigh the risks against the ROI they can potentially get by participating with a given engine in a given series. Unlike 10-15 years ago, no CEO or BoD is willing to spend gobs of money just to look cool and impress their fellow golf buddies these days.

It mainly comes down to what appeals to 18-34 year olds. Whether it's V8 muscle cars, tuner imports or whatever... that's the demographic that speaks the loudest.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

It mainly comes down to what appeals to 18-34 year olds. Whether it's V8 muscle cars, tuner imports or whatever... that's the demographic that speaks the loudest.

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Actually it is 15-34 year olds. The kind who wouldn't even give a 2nd look at his grandfather's copy of Popular Hotrodding.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Actually it is 15-34 year olds. The kind who wouldn't even give a 2nd look at his grandfather's copy of Popular Hotrodding.

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I'd say there are very few in that demographic who have any real awareness of Popular Hotrodding, Hot Rod or Car Craft (which I didn't know was still in existence - even though I subscribed to it as a kid). But my impression is that most of the people in that younger demographic subscribe to tuner magazines... if they subscribe to mags at all.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Actually it is 15-34 year olds. The kind who wouldn't even give a 2nd look at his grandfather's copy of Popular Hotrodding.

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Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance:
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Buy you are exceptional at both.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

I'd say there are very few in that demographic who have any real awareness of Popular Hotrodding, Hot Rod or Car Craft (which I didn't know was still in existence - even though I subscribed to it as a kid). But my impression is that most of the people in that younger demographic subscribe to tuner magazines... if they subscribe to mags at all.

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You have to get out more.

Tuner cars are a West Coast thing at best.

Here are some , as of 2009, paid subscription numbers, from the Audit Bureau of Circulations that go along with the demographic charts in the above post.

Automobile--571,321

AutoWeek--279,705

Car Craft--227,611

Forbes--920,873

Hot Rod--657,151

Popular Hot Rodding--104,905

Road & Track--719,811

Scientific American--599,840

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

You have to get out more.

Tuner cars are a West Coast thing at best.

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Really?? Who needs to get out more.?

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

And no, I don't read popular hot rodding or Car craft. I already know how to rebuild a Holley 4 barrel.

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That gave me a mental image :)

http://aviewfrommybalcony.files.word...1/car_fire.jpg