Poll on who was at fault

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Originally Posted by truefan72

damn, hit the wrong button, meant to say Vettel, so that 7th vote is an out-lier

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dont feel bad, i voted racing incident, but at least you have more fools with you, then I have among the other two with me.... :D

But at least neither you nor I, need worry about our British and Aussie sales revenue going down, for telling it like it is.....such that we got to lie to save those pennies from going bye, bye...

lets give Dietrich the last word

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"$hit happens… we shouldn’t talk about the past, but concentrate on the future

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http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/...d&refmodpos=A2

Gents. We will not get anywhere with this chap. Markability will refuse to be reasoned with so what is the point of trying. You could posess all the data in the world and a signed confession from Seb and he still wouldn't change his mind so why continue trying.

There is no enjoyment in continuing a dialogue and best just to accept Markability is correct on all points he makes and accept his reality in it's entireity.

In another thread AndyL made this point:

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Originally Posted by AndyL

...the guy on the dirty line has to brake earlier and as a result fails to complete the pass.

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It's a good point.

Mark Webber is a skillful racing driver. He obviously didn't want to lose the lead, but if he had to then Vettel was going to have to work hard to earn it.

By positioning his car where he did out of the previous turn Webber gave Vettel two options - inside or outside pass. Vettel, knowing a left-hander was coming up, chose inside. It was the risky option because it put him on the dirty line. His tyres would pick up the dirt and so make it more difficult to complete the pass and make the next corner cleanly.

Webber knew all of this. Vettel had chosen the option that gave Webber the best chance of regaining the position, and Vettel knew this too.

So, with Vettel slightly ahead of Webber before either of them had reached the braking zone what could have happened? Well, my guess is that Webber would have moved across to the right entering the braking zone, thus positioning himself to take the ideal line through the next corner. Vettel, by that point, would have been ahead but with dirty tyres and off the ideal line. It may have been a bit of a scramble but Vettel probably would have emerged from the left-hander ahead. Still, Webber would have done what he could to defend his lead cleanly.

Vettel's actions, not Webber's, ensured things didn't work out this way.

My mum raised an interesting point regarding Vettels "immature" reaction and blaming Webber. Did Seb believe that team orders had been applied and Mark would "put on a bit of a show" then pull over and let him past. If so, then you can see were Vettel was coming from with his reaction after the accident "what the hell were you thinking, you were told to let me thru, the boss will hang you out to dry you crazy fool"*

It's about the only reason I can see why he'd behave that way.

*apparantly this is based on watching me and my brother stitch each other up over the years when we'd previously agreed to work together ;)

*yawns* ;)

Here we have Markabilly refusing to accept defeat and is desperately attempting to convince 68 people (so far) who believe he is wrong that they are completely blind and are totally wrong.

good luck with that Markabilly, but maybe, juuuuuust maybe, you should concede defeat and slink away... You dissagree with the majority, and thats fine, but clearly your not going to convince everyone else of your views so just give it up mate

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Originally Posted by markabilly

So clear, even a blind man can see, except those so blinded by their idolarity or their ego. This is not a popuralrity contest determined by votes, but the objective evidence in living color

Yep on Monday I was clearly in the racing incident camp, but on Tuesday evening, I saw the light so now, I am in the camp of 100% webber at fault,
the ole cheater chopper done it again, without penalty and without the guts to admit it..

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I posted this thread so that guys here can discuss this incident in a civilised manner. Guys who insisted that Webber was at fault now feel that it may have been 50-50. But all the discussions so far have been carried out without insults.

That you have chosen my thread to not only force your view onto others but then to insult one of the drivers, I find very disappointing. In fact, I think you are the only one here who sought to degenerate into insulting either driver.

I want to say right now, quite clearly, that I dissociate myself from any discussion with you on this subject. I would urge everyone else to disregard anything that I may have posted in answer to this forum member.

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Originally Posted by Malllen

Lewis Hamilton, Martin Brundle, David Coulthard, Anthony Davidson, Alex Wurz and Nico Rosberg all called it Vettel's fault.

If you'd like to tell me which F1 drivers past or present (apart from Helmut Marko) see it differently then I would like to know.

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I thought my post was pretty straight forward and clear to understand. It shouldn't need explaining.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I agree with you mostly Dave, but you have to also see that the movement wasn't the most sudden movement ever seen in F1 and Vettel was ahead. I certainly wouldn t blame Webber only, only a bonehead would do that but I still feel that he could and should have given Seb more room. Hence why I voted that both were at fault.

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This is very interesting because this was my original opinion. However, when I reviewed the situation in its entirety, I voted otherwise. But, thanks for the honesty in your views.