Local Press'es Take on Danica at LBGP

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27th April 2010, 07:12
Mark in Oshawa

Well you know...Americans never appreciate racing talent from outside the USA Markabilly. Like you guys, you just hated Nigel Mansell, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, Graham Hill, Emmo Fittapaldi and Zanardi. Bums..all of em...
27th April 2010, 12:22
markabilly

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Well you know...Americans never appreciate racing talent from outside the USA Markabilly. Like you guys, you just hated Nigel Mansell, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, Graham Hill, Emmo Fittapaldi and Zanardi. Bums..all of em...

i think you are wrong for almost all the current racing talent
(f1 rejects and wannabees) in the irl comes from elsewhere to run with the sons of andretti and rahal

someone here must like them

but the only name that for whatever reason, rings a bell here and across the world like the names mentioned in the above posts is danica, and she is american

sad so--i give up and will just dwell in the past

but HOLD ON ONE SECOND, the best racers in the world have come to indy in the last ten years, they came for the motogps, the f1 races and the brickyard 40:D
27th April 2010, 19:55
Mark in Oshawa

Quote:

Originally Posted by markabilly

i think you are wrong for almost all the current racing talent
(f1 rejects and wannabees) in the irl comes from elsewhere to run with the sons of andretti and rahal

someone here must like them

but the only name that for whatever reason, rings a bell here and across the world like the names mentioned in the above posts is danica, and she is american

sad so--i give up and will just dwell in the past

but HOLD ON ONE SECOND, the best racers in the world have come to indy in the last ten years, they came for the motogps, the f1 races and the brickyard 40:D

Well the BEST OW racers in the world are in the top 5 teams of F1. After that...I wouldn't want to say some of the backmarkers in f1 are any better than Dixon, Briscoe, Power and Castroneves.

The fact is, the IRL is just no longer a destination for the top talent from either continent any more. The late Greg Moore always wanted to win Indy, and other young Canadian drivers did too...but now...I suspect they all are looking to maybe see F1 at the ultimate goal because the money isn't in the IRL. IN short, the series has to get healthier. Once THAT happens, the top Americans and top Canadians will want to be there. Right now..young drivers are just as likely to see ALMS, NASCAR or one of the Euro junior formulae heading to F1 as a more worthy place. The decline of the Indycars is a symptom of the last 15 years of stupidity. Let's build a better series with money in it..and this problem solves it self. It still has good talent in it. You cannot tell me that Dario or Helio are poor drivers or incapable. I suspect given time, they could race anything....
27th April 2010, 21:26
garyshell

To add to what Mark just said, I have a feeling that Will, Dario, Dixon and Helio could hold there own in F1 given top shelf equipment and team support. But I also think none of them are much interested in all the political BS and trappings that would go along with such a venture. Without a doubt F1 is the pinnacle of racing, but it's also the pinnacle of hassle as well.

Gary
27th April 2010, 21:29
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by markabilly

well I dont disagree except I said "among the best", but maybe you be right.

Jim Clark, Mario Andretti, Dan Gurney, Graham Hill, AJ Foyt, Unsers brothers, Mark Donohue, Jackie Stewart, Parnelli Jones, Sneva, Mears, and even much later, Nigel Mansell, JV (a mere rookie Indy winner and a WDC), JPM--another rookie winner, Greg Moore, among a number of others.....

Yeah I agree, those guys were not among the best in the world. Not even close. What did beachbum call them? Just field fillers...

:dozey:

Funny, in the sixties, every one of the best drivers I can think of, recognized not only in the USA, but the world over as being the challengers for the title of the best there ever was, well the only one I can think of who did NOT race Indy, was John Surtees.

But you are right, I am dwelling in the past, and should be thrilled about the way of the new or old IRL, with or without Danica.

Those old dreams of an idle old fool like me, and all that history is gone, and with it the faint hope of a return to greatness being just ashes in the wind, never to return.
You win.

Two words.....Dennis Vitolo.

Don't remember him? Ask one of what you consider one of the greatest racers in the world...Nigel Mansell
27th April 2010, 21:39
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Two words.....Dennis Vitolo.

Don't remember him? Ask one of what you consider one of the greatest racers in the world...Nigel Mansell

There is a perfect example of a driver who was American but had no business behind the wheels of an Indycar. Nice guy I am sure...but the passport of the driver shouldn't be the first or second consideration of giving a guy a ride...
27th April 2010, 22:00
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by garyshell

To add to what Mark just said, I have a feeling that Will, Dario, Dixon and Helio could hold there own in F1 given top shelf equipment and team support. But I also think none of them are much interested in all the political BS and trappings that would go along with such a venture. Without a doubt F1 is the pinnacle of racing, but it's also the pinnacle of hassle as well.

Gary

Can't speak for Dario but Will Power had F-1 as his goal. Scott Dixon had two tests with BMW/Williams and Helio would have cut off his arm to drive in F-1. politics and all.
27th April 2010, 23:24
garyshell

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Originally Posted by garyshell

But I also think none of them are much interested in all the political BS and trappings that would go along with such a venture. Without a doubt F1 is the pinnacle of racing, but it's also the pinnacle of hassle as well.

Gary

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Can't speak for Dario but Will Power had F-1 as his goal. Scott Dixon had two tests with BMW/Williams and Helio would have cut off his arm to drive in F-1. politics and all.

Notice the underlined and bolded word in my original quote?

Gary
27th April 2010, 23:33
TURN3

I'm really disappointed how far off topic we are getting considering it is my favorite subject...BASHING DANICA!! LOL! :D
28th April 2010, 01:19
markabilly

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Two words.....Dennis Vitolo.

Don't remember him? Ask one of what you consider one of the greatest racers in the world...Nigel Mansell

so what is a lttle bump in the pits among buds?

Mansell was such a jerk he wore out his welcome in the USA and went back to win again in F1, only to wear out his welcome there as well...

WDC in 1992, got all pissy at his team, went off to CART and Indy in 1993 for two or more years, got all pissy again and in his forties went back to F1 in 1995 after being gone two years, and won again.

Situation not much different than MS and his return.

My point was that this is the type of driver who used to show up for the Indy 500.

The best were there, even under the snotty f1 definition of "the best", but no more.

and as anthonyvop put it, there are a number of current IRL drivers who have tried out or would love to be in F1, but just can not get in.

OTOH, I know of no current f1 driver wanting to race in the Indy 500 or the IRL.

American or foreigner, they all want NASCAR, not Indy or IRL.
JPM went back to nascar. Tony stewart went to Nascar. Even jarno Trulli wanted to go NASCAR--he did not ask to be in the Indy..... Even Scott Speed came back not to the IRL, but to trucks and stocks..........That is where they all want to go :dozey:

Even the DP wants to go NASCAR....... :rolleyes:

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