Singapore 2008: Briatore and Symmonds resign

I don't think you'd have to ask Piquet to crash bless him.

They just used his natural talents.... :p

this news today is just nonsense IMO a waste of peoples time and money.

It is nothing more than Mosley's parting shot at Fota and to try and get one more scalp on his way out.It is also a stupid move that could see renault leave the sport to everyone but MM's detriment. It will also surely signal the end of NPjr career in F1 as his actions in this matter true or not true will be seen as a parting shot that caused a terrible consequences and black eye on the sport yet again.

and Finally, shame on the F1A who seem to not understand how stupid this whole thing is and what a pr disaster it is going to be. To me this should be straw that broke the camels back for fota and a let the breakaway series come back into effect, while the lawyers can haggle with the FOM about breach of contract. It is funny how this investigation has only materialized once the new concorde agreement was signed, in a way trying to box in FOTA.

I hope that the FOTA teams leave anyway, form their own series and let this stupid FIA feed on their own dead carcass. They have more than a strong argument for their case, and it will be years until this case settles, in the meanwhile FIa and FOM will cease to exist.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

When I saw that this was being opened out past the Crashgate issue, McLaren data was the first thing that jumped into my mind.

Let's not forget that had the FIA done any more than a cursory "were you being naughty?" investigation then Renault would have been deeper in the than McLaren. There was considerable evidence that data was incorporated into the car and had they asked to see the Backup tapes rather than live systems, then Renault would have been fooked.

Perhaps Flav should have remembered Max turning a blind eye before doing an et tu Brutus.

Making the mistake that Max is down and out is not a clever move!!

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Have you got any genuine evidence to those claims?

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Originally Posted by christophulus

If found guilty.. well the punishment will be massive. The FIA must've found some evidence of wrongdoing if it's got this far.

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Just because you are called to answer a case against you doesn't mean there is a case against you.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Just because you are called to answer a case against you doesn't mean there is a case against you.

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The FIA needs enough evidence to prove Renault are guilty of something. Renault's representatives have every right to stay silent all the way through and aren't going to incriminate themselves.

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The way this works is a bit like the Crown Prosecution service in the UK, which liaises with the police service to assess whether there is enough evidence to prosecute. The FIA has had an enquiry force looking into the Renault case for some time, I understand. This is not something which has been launched in the last few weeks.

To proceed in this way the FIA must feel that there is sufficient evidence to prosecute. To get a conviction, the evidence must add up to prove that the competitor has committed, “Any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally.” This is quite a wide definition, but the burden of proof is on the FIA’s side, not on Renault to prove that it is innocent.

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http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/0...ge-this-month/

the whole affair is just ridiculous

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Have you got any genuine evidence to those claims?

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And have you got any evidence to disprove them?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

And have you got any evidence to disprove them?

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The burden of proof is with the accuser.

Since when has having no real evidence, just a load of assumptions based on his own bias , be treated as anything other than excrement?

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Originally Posted by tamburello

The burden of proof is with the accuser.

Since when has having no real evidence, just a load of assumptions based on his own bias , be treated as anything other than excrement?

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Come to think of it, has anyone ever seen Nelson Piquet Junior and Knock-on in the same room together?