Was Lewis passing Heikki legal?

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

When I give orders, I am very clear about what I expect to happen and when. The problem here is that some fans don't seem to know the difference between an order and at best, a vague implication.

Whether it's McLaren, Ferrari or BMW, if one of the team drivers has shown the field his backside all day, and the other is not on his pace, I would expect the lead driver to NOT make it a time consuming exercise for the faster car to get past him. No matter the team, I don't have a problem with that.

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The problem , actually , is that fans DO know the difference .

It was an order , essentially because no driver wants to be seen by his team as holding the team back .

For the record , I don't have a problem with team orders , but rather with the rule banning them .

The fans , the announcers , and I'm sure the FIA saw team orders , but , because they were "vague" , they were allowed .
That's just stupid .

Stupid , stupid , stupid rule .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

The problem , actually , is that fans DO know the difference.

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Apparently some don't.

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It was an order , essentially because no driver wants to be seen by his team as holding the team back.

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Essentially nothing. That's not an order.

Let's say I'm the VP of Operations at your company. I call you on Monday and tell you that one of your supervisors certainly is a screw up and I have no use for him... and that's all I say. Have I ordered you to fire that person? You don't want to hold the team back, do you? So you fire him. But that would all be on your shoulders. I have not ORDERED you to do anything.

An order is a superior telling you to do something. It is not based on a desire to do what's right for the team.

What the FIA saw was a slower driver allowing a faster driver an easy pass. What reason would Heikki have had to hold up someone who was going to pass him anyway? Short of proof that he was ORDERED to do that, there is no proof of team orders. And yes, I'd say the exact same thing if it was Ferrari, BMW or Force India!

Heiki said afterward that he was unhappy because they didn't let him fight, still people say it wasn't an order from the team! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

The fans , the announcers , and I'm sure the FIA saw team orders , but , because they were "vague" , they were allowed .
That's just stupid .

Stupid , stupid , stupid rule .

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I agree with that

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

When I give orders, I am very clear about what I expect to happen and when. The problem here is that some fans don't seem to know the difference between an order and at best, a vague implication.

Whether it's McLaren, Ferrari or BMW, if one of the team drivers has shown the field his backside all day, and the other is not on his pace, I would expect the lead driver to NOT make it a time consuming exercise for the faster car to get past him. No matter the team, I don't have a problem with that.

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When you give orders is because you are supposed to and I am sure you don't give orders that are against the rules, right? And so on............I don't like to repeat myself.....

The thread title: "Was Lewis Passing Heikki Legal?"

Six pages of fluff that tries to prove that it was not, just because "we know".

http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/imag...03_img0663.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

The thread title: "Was Lewis Passing Heikki Legal?"

Six pages of fluff that tries to prove that it was not, just because "we know".

http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/imag...03_img0663.jpg

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ioan

Heiki said afterward that he was unhappy because they didn't let him fight, still people say it wasn't an order from the team! :rolleyes:

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That's all well and good but where was his 'fight' in the rest of the race? Why was he 0.5s slower than Hamilton during the race? Why could he not make similar progress through the field?

Saying that he was not allowed to fight Hamilton rather puts the spotlight on those kind of questions.

Ron Dennis says today that Hamilton does not need the help of HK to win the title....nice Ron, then why the hell did he pull over at the hairpin?

Sure Hamilton is faster than Heikki but lets not say that Heikki did not help him in Germany. He did.

If they had been let to do battle, I am sure Lewis would have passed him anyways so its a moot point.

Oh Ron "integrity" Dennis can't stop making himself look like an idiot.

I saw that article yesterday on autosport.com, I decided however not to bring it up myself.