Rumored 2009 IC Schedule

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Originally Posted by Ken

problem is the IRL is facing the same problems and headed down the same road...

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They have full fields due to no competition and they're not trying to push euro-style formula down the throats of a continent that isn't all that interesting in that brand of racing, so I don't think they're facing the same kinds of problems that Champ Car did.

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no Title sponsor.

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After over a decade of tearing everything apart for the sake of who sets of egos, they have something to prove to a sponsor. Money is also tight.

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Venue and scheduling problems.

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And you expect a magic wand to be waved and the schedule turn out exactly how you want it? A schedule is a complex thing that involves a lot of accountants and lawyers. You also have the added complication that the France family now owns the Penske tracks.

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TV problems.

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Networks are a busy, not a public service. Make ESPN more money and they're going to give you a better deal.

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spec series...

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For now. If you can convince Cosworth and Panoz to update their IRL stuff to the latest rules, be my guest. If not, we're stuck for a couple of years with what we have until the new package which will not be spec.

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Mego teams and have nots

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And in what part of AOWR history has there not been? Penske, Ganassi, Green, and Newman-Haas have been dominating for many years. Spec or no spec, the teams with the best people will rise to the top.

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ride buyers

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Happen everywhere with the smaller. less financially secure teams.

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Originally Posted by Ken

so everything gets reset as of Feb 2008?

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In a way, yes. You can't snap your fingers and make everything perfect. A lot of work has to be done, and believe it or not, that takes time.

Those who were/are strong supporters of either side need to keep in mind that AOWR has often succeeded in spite of itself, not because of any great leadership.

The IRL "victory" in this war gets down to two things:
-1. The complete and utter failure of CART/CCWS to get their act together and #2 The fact that the IRL had the Indy 500.

I do not think the IRL plan has been any more effective than the CCWS plan - it is just that the owner of the IRL had more personal commitment to the long term and perhaps a willingness to spend more money.....

So to the victor go the spoils - but lets not fool ourselves - the IRL is not a whole heck of a lot better than CCWS was... I said many times before unification that I thought the time had already passed for either side to survive the war and I think the jury is still out as to whether or not the IRL survives and thrives or just reverts back to the USAC mentality that the only paved race that mattered was the Indy 500... in which case we are just waiting for the next "white paper" from the next Dan Gurney.....

In the meantime, I am more than willing to give the IRL a chance and I have no real problems with the schedule - it is a good transitional schedule - but more and better needs to come in future years (and I believe there is an effort to get better - but I also think there are many with influence who would gladly see a return to the USAC days and ways....

There wasn't any victory, we all lost big time. The only victory here is that we're no longer fighting amongst ourselves.

http://www.news-record.com/content/2...furniture_city

Boy, I really doubt that one, Ken. Better than Coos Bay, but......

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Originally Posted by Ken

http://www.news-record.com/content/2...furniture_city

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I want some of what he is smokin'. :s mokin:

Gary

probably more Palm springs then belle isle....


but the problem is these cities seem more interested than the viable ovals....or is it the other way around....Vegas and NH..

ah...so confusing

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Originally Posted by Ken

clearly he strayed from the original Vision...you can admit that can't you?

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How so? The "original vision" was to create a series that provided teams to use their Indianapolis-style race cars in other events throughout a season involving the main spectacle of American Open Wheel Racing - the Indy 500.

Has he strayed from that? The 500 is still the biggest event on the calender, and there is a schedule of other events for teams to use their Indianapolis-style race cars.

All the open-wheel war was about was a shift in power. Tony was looking out for his own race and wanted power, the CART guys foolishly thought they could run an AOWR series without the Indy 500. They were successful for a while, but Tony eventually proved his point and was rewarded with being the new "head-of-state" of American Open Wheel.

I don't like Tony any more than the next guy, but I find it hard to hate him purely for taking advantage of our capitalist society. That's what life is about isn't it? Trying to get what you want, wanting more than everyone else? At least in America anyway.

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Originally Posted by -Helix-

How so? The "original vision" was to create a series that provided teams to use their Indianapolis-style race cars in other events throughout a season involving the main spectacle of American Open Wheel Racing - the Indy 500.

Has he strayed from that? The 500 is still the biggest event on the calender, and there is a schedule of other events for teams to use their Indianapolis-style race cars.

All the open-wheel war was about was a shift in power. Tony was looking out for his own race and wanted power, the CART guys foolishly thought they could run an AOWR series without the Indy 500. They were successful for a while, but Tony eventually proved his point and was rewarded with being the new "head-of-state" of American Open Wheel.

I don't like Tony any more than the next guy, but I find it hard to hate him purely for taking advantage of our capitalist society. That's what life is about isn't it? Trying to get what you want, wanting more than everyone else? At least in America anyway.

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anything is acceptable........isn't it