Good, who is he sponsoring this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
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Good, who is he sponsoring this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
I think it is Munster, not sure though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
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Originally Posted by Jarek Z
honestly? yes! maybe more envious than jealous, actually.
people laughed because they saw someone like them or even worse do it, and get frustrated because he had the possibilities (and the balls) to get there. a classic reaction is to diminish that people. when that kind of person feels lesser they try to gain importance through belittling others. the film is the same, they were sure it would stir reactions out of frustrated people, which definitely worked.
CorrectQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/getti...proved-driver/
“And, of course, it further aligns him with Jourdan Serderidis – a personal backer of Munster’s – which is particularly key as Serderidis is at the heart of Munster’s potential Rally1 chance this year.”
Maybe you are a better psychologist than me, but something in your theory doesn't work. Are you suggesting that everybody in Great Britain wanted to be a ski jumper and they were jealous that it was Eddie who made it? I don't think so. It's a niche sport. It's quire popular in Poland, but for sure not in the UK (and most other countries in the world) where nobody cares about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
If someone doesn't like a movie, it doesn't mean they are jealous of the director.
If someone doesn't like a record, it doesn't mean they are jealous of the saxophonist.
If someone doesn't like Serderidi's driving, it doesn't mean they are jealous of his car :)
Also people here are looking at Serderidis thinking they would do better, while in fact they would destroy the car in the first corner :)
well yeah, i was not being so literal. it's not really about a specific sport, is more about the general human way of feeling good being superior to someone else, and i'm not speaking of a general "everyone", but more about the very fed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
you're right, sometimes dislike s just dislike, but dislike alone is effortless!
when someone dislikes something, a tune, a movie, a car, they just pass over onto other stuff and don't care that much about it.
when it becomes a constant thread, escalates to insults, when is depicted as a problem to the very integrity of the system (like as if a bad movie could ruin the art of cinema...), and when is demanded to the governing body to amend its presence, well, it probably is something more "visceral" than dislike.
anyway, my poor psychology will not affect it, "haters gonna hate" they say! : )
p.s= not so sure about this "If someone doesn't like Serderidi's driving, it doesn't mean they are jealous of his car :)" here around. i'm jealous of that car! :D
I'm not. But... had he driven a Lancia Delta, it would have been a different story :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Good effort boys.
Really interesting and totally M Sport related conversation once again.
Thank you. I also think it was one of the most interesting discussions on this forum in the recent days :)
you're welcome!Quote:
Originally Posted by bandit12
let's get onto one of your very sharp thread, shall we?
Funnily enough Jarek I was going to make the exact same comparison to the plasterer of disaster about a month or so ago when our Greek friend was getting himself in a fluster about his compatriot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Serderidis' Puma had 3 spins and has held up BRC favourite Keith Cronin on the Malcolm Wilson Stages today..
"The Eagle" finishes in the 9th position:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/8...national-2023/
And would have been 8th on this interclub event on the same routeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...nterclub-2023/
And yet. He's done something right that makes it possible for him to spend his own money on it.
But sure. Get rid of him, his backing for Munster, his previous backing for Bergkvist and other drivers. Get rid of a good customer for manufacturers as well. I am sure that will help everyone in the end.
Sheesh. Serderidis isn't the problem, he is just what highlights the problem.
100% correct. People here should stop beeing so negative! especialy about a guy thats sponsoring our sport like that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
I am not against Serderidis he can do what he wants with his money. But i am against the morons at the FIA putting him top seed on a WRC event that i then have to watch him struggle on WRC Live. There is no argument in this universe or any other paralel universe that can justify that.
I agree. Anyone should be able to drive what he can afford, but nobody should be forced to watch them drive slowly.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
The rich amateur/ gentleman driver has always been a part of motorsport; they quite often fund teams/ help other drivers. We see it in rallying, as well more obviously in Sportscars.....
As others have said, the 'issue' currently is so few top line cars, that we see a rich amateur amongst the top seeds - whereas in other eras he would have been far lower....
Don't blame him but others for this situation.....(FiA/Promoters)
On something like the BRC or other National events Serderidis should just run as a demo or course car. He definitely shouldn't be seeded and hold up the other real competitors.
Spot on. The first example that comes to my mind is Frederic Dor. For a decade he ran fully white (e.g. totally sponsor-free) latest specs GroupA Impreza in almost full campaigns - Never to register a top 10 result. At the same time, there were 20+, sometimes 30+ official/top driven cars, so everybody remembers the nice chap in the white Subaru and nobody complained that he would steal a drive form someone else...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
There has been many debates on what the top category should be, now a look at ERC's rally Fafe last weekend is like a blast to the past : 40 WRC2 cars, all pretty much equal machinery, and the best drivers in the front. honestly, speaking, as much as I lovee th Rally1 cars, I wonder why on earth the FIA has not elected to go Rally2 - not Rally2+, just basic Rally2 with the same cost cap as today. would'nt that be awesome to see a young Finn coming from nowhere unexpectedly mix it up with the big guys ? Today's events, aside from being weak in top class entries, are far too predictable. Even if you drive poorly, if you have 1-2 offs, you are ensured to finish in the top 10 if you drive a rally1 car, if not in the top 6.
It is about money and marketing. They need money from manufacturers, manufacturers needs to invest money. And with all of this, they need exclusivity. They are happy to have 3-4 manufacturers and 10-15 Rally1 cars - each manufacturer has enough media coverage, all their cars are visible in live coverage from every stage, each manufacturer can finish on podium. So all sides (manufacturers, FIA, promoter) are happy with this situation...Quote:
Originally Posted by djip
That's probably true, but can't they (manufacturers, FIA, promoter) see, that media and viewers lose interest in this sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
That's a good example with Frederic Dor, but he actually wasn't so completely bad. In 1999 he even managed to win French championship on gravel:Quote:
Originally Posted by djip
https://www.ewrc-results.com/season/...france-gravel/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/466021/?entry=36635
Cronin was only held up on the second stage. He was 3.1 seconds quicker than Formeaux on the third stage but slower than Formeaux on the other three stages losing 28.9 seconds, so even without the second stage delay Cronin lost 25.8 seconds to Formeaux.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It is also worth noting that Cronin only ran behind Serderidis on the first two stages. The Macolm Wilson used UK road timing where the road target time is added to the stage finish time to calculate the arrival time at the next control. This means that once you've passed somebody you start the rest of the rally ahead of them. This is different from the FIA road timing convention where the road target is added to the stage start time to calculate the arrival time at the next control. The FIA system means that the start order never changes until the field is re-seeded and if you catch somebody on a stage you start behind them on the next one, and maybe catch them again.
Thanks for the info but when a rally is so short starting Serderidis 2nd could easily have cost someone an important place (and worse if they had played their Joker).Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
The facts are that it didn't. If it had been a long event with long stages and FIA timing then it could well have been an issue, but it wasn't so there was no affect on the final placings. Give the event organisers credit for knowing how the timing works and what the consequences of seeding are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Back on topic (MSport)...
Malcolm drives the Puma:
https://youtu.be/K5yLz_RghAM
What a great they had yesterday….
Loubet failed again.
M-Sport need to do something, to get a more robust team. They must have a good pointscorer in addition to Tanak.
I think 2 tiny, but costly mistakes by Loubet is the least head ache for M- Sport. He was good , considering his limited experiance. Somehow these new R1 cars are very fragile - smallest contact - break.
Malcolms main head ache right now comes from the tone and words coming from Tanak , especially in the final interview - it was harsh! Clearly QC and supply chain values are not on the same level as for competing teams.
Eh, Malcolm isn't going to hold a grudge against Tanak. He knew fully well what he bought and everyone at M-Sport is fully committed into doing the best they can. Some tough love from Ott isn't going to break that effort.
No, but Tanak is going to lose his humour with reliability issues every other rally. They need to up their game and quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Tänak Ott - Järveoja Martin
"Hopefully we will not repeat this one any more. We need to do some changes - for sure we are not continuing this way."
Wouldn’t say it is harsh. And he is right, can’t have such a reliability problems anymore when you want to fight for title.
The competition is so tight this year
Limited experience?! Loubet has been competing in WRC for 8 years! Much longer than Rovanpera...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndersX
How many times he has driven Mexico? I watched those mistakes of his and neither of them could be called as stupid or overdrive. What we see in him is the rather mature material with good potential. Give him a season and he will constantly beat Taka and will compete with Huyndai's 3rd driver. He seems more leveled in head as any of M-Sports recent experiments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Wouldn't call two years "much" longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Yes, PLL did his first WRC event in 2015 while Kalle made his debut in 2017. Yes, both PLL's and Kalle's fathers were rally drivers and quite good ones too. But when PLL focused on circuits in his youth Kalle became a rally driver when he exited his mother's womb.
There is zero reason to compare Kalle's experience with other young or youngish rally drivers because Kalle is a unicorn. Kalle had millions invested in his rally career before he was able to grow a beard.
PLL has competed for eight years but he doesn't have a remarkable amount of rallies under his belt. He's pretty much the same age as Lindholm but Emil started earlier and has a lot more starts.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak...a-a-mis-match/
“I mean the car is there- the car has always been there. It’s just I think me and the car are a bit of a mis-match.
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It’s probably a bit of a tricky topic at the moment, but we see what the guys can come up with.
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Like I said, the car is there, and obviously the car is competitive in some other hands.
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But just for me it’s not natural for me and I am not able to deliver with the car like I should. Let’s see.
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We haven’t done any development yet so let’s see when some steps start to come in and if they come in then we will find out it is difficult to know. I’m not going to hang around just to drive for fifth so yeah for sure we’d like to push.”
- Ott Tänak
:smash::smash::smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndersX