Just put škoda on it.. :D
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Just put škoda on it.. :D
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
Direct broadcast from that different space..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4np3...eature=related
BDunell, Barreis: Guys, You don't need to be rocket scientists to understand that Your thinking that it's possible to stop railguards with such sharp blade on their end penetrating the car is very naive. That post of JRodrigues is in fact very good because You would really need something like that to do so.
In very simple math You get that a S2000 car with crew and fuel moving 100 km/h has kinetic energy of cca 0,5 MJ. It's 3x more than muzzle energy of 30 mm gun round or 200x more than machinegun bullet. If You would have a one kilogram heavy thing, it would have to fly at 3600 km/h to have such energy...
There is no passenger/race car in the world which would stop those rails. You would need armor plates all around and ten centimeters thick bullet-proof windows. Alltogether it would weight a ton.
I don't understand what does Škoda have to do with that ? It would be the same with any rally car ( not just S2000 ) , and it will take lots of years of safety development to be able to stop that kind of penetration . That rail is technically like a spear , and all of you can use basic physics formulas ( like Mirek noted ) to see for yourselves that current safety from these kind of impacts is VERY far away for current technology and materials .
Sorry for the offtopic ... I saw a similar crash in person , at 4th Carnia Rally Ronde last year . It was also in Italy , the roads were very common , it was also a rally Ronde and the crash was similar , although with lot smaller speeds ( after a hairpin ) . The driver was Nicola Cescutti , he slided too far due to wet road and hit the rail ( although a very old and rusty rail ) directly , with devastating damage to his Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 9 . The rail penetrated the car , although not as much as Kubica luckily . Both crew members were unhurt . At the bottom of the page you can see the car ( http://www.desno4.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=23 )
You're Chech and I understand that you like škoda but never saw in my life pictures like that.. I saw many accidents on highways but never saw that rails passed through whole car.. That's bad.. What Kubica would say in public after all and if he wasn't hurt in that accident?! Would be interested to hear somebody with authority in public about fabia rails..
That has nothing to do with Škoda but with laws of physics. When I studied vehicle safety I could see several accidents with rails penetrating whole car (BMW X5 for example). It's just a matter of physics. I have even saw a Mercedes E-Class almost cut into two pieces by motorbike...
Warning, some terrible graphic photos. Don't watch these photos who believe me (many cars penetrated by guardrails) ;)
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/articl...-audi-r8.shtml
yes, the driver lost both his legs...28 years old...drunk driving and high speed.
the car is for sale at 40.000 euros a dealer who specialises in destroyed exotics has it.
BDunell, and Barreis you are missing the point that Kubica was driving a Skoda. A guardrail like that would penetrate and tear open any car. It is not Skoda that should be under the spotlight here, but the highway authority that used that type of guardrail and maybe the organisers for not protecting the end that came into the car with some form of soft protection. I am not some crazy guy who want to put run off areas and make stages into race tracks but to allow a man made hazard is crazy. If it was a tree, or mountain side I would not saw anything, but to allow a can opener on a stage.....
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Yeah, I have seen in many rallies that such hazards are often eliminated by using hay balls. It does not cost too much but it is very effective. Even if you crash on it, it bounces you off (due to the round shape) and absorbs some of the impact energy. But the problem is that it still costs something and organizers budgets are always quite tight...
I can't understand peoples thinking that its the Skoda's fault. Here is an American SUV that has 90 feet of guard rail penetrating it. It was a terrible accident and I wish Robert a quick recovery
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/t...-rail-accident
it was a freak accident...in such situations you are unlucky if that happened to you, but very lucky to survive....Skoda has nothing to do with it.
I posted this on another thread but i'll post it again. You'll never build a car that can stop a guard rail entering a car but you can build a guard rail that doesn't enter a car. Anyone who thinks Skoda is to blame for this clearly lacks common sense. Here is a guard rail that when you crash into bends back on itself to stop it entering the car.http://www.turnerfence.com/guardrails.jpg
The problem is that the piles stand generally not well. In Belgium and the Netherlands the guard rail are generally also build each side of the pile with 30 cm element between the rails!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dug83
There are so many different constructions which are for many municipalities or countrys too expensive.
I self has worked 6 years with guard rails and the company is still in my family.
At least all škoda drivers will now think when they'll see guardraills.. :D
Maybe all drivers should, this is not a Skoda problem, but to try to help people like you understand this would be difficult, you appear to have limited interest in learning the reality of the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Hopefully Robert Kubica make a full and speedy recovery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Q2MFkiaj8 Kubica crash reconstruction. I think it was all bad luck and nobody should blame Skoda about accidents results.
the bottom line is the gaurd rail is there to do a job and it failed im presuming that there was a week point let it be the piles or the joint where the rails overlap,this is nothing to do with Skoda you comments are harsh on a matter perhaps you do not understand,Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
i speak from a perspective of having worked in road construction,this could have happened to car Kubica was in or the last car on the road or a general member of the public,but im sure it will be a matter for the roads authority in Italy to look into.
Sadly some people on here love to make sensationalist statements without putting their brains into gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinto
Thats probably because they lack one, or have'nt used one fore a long while ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Totally agree with nr7wave...people need to learn to put their brains to use! A guy can only dream!
He's Czech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
And you're insane... or undereducated...
You can suck my dick.. If you pay 265000 euros for car then you want maximum of protection with cevlar material (same as F1).. I have university degree..
If you pay 265000+VAT euros for car then you want maximum of protection with cevlar material (same as F1).. I have university degree..
What a level of discussion. Personally i don't think it would have made any difference if you put kevlar in the car. Maybe in your university laws of physics are different? :D
Can't believe the rudeness and ignorance some people display. Anyone who has a slight knowledge of physics knows that you'd have needed tank type armour to stop that armco going through the car.....
...cevlar...Chech...university degree...any other jokes???Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
What I always loved on this forum was the respect of each user to another. I hope it keeps like that with no more posts like that of Barreis...
Before this I never wrote anything like this but you started with insults about education, etc. I have my opinion and that's it..
An university degree don’t mean anything if one don’t understand simple physics and IMO in this case use of common sense is enough. If a car hit an Armco, all the energy is concentrated in so small area that it would need a very thick cevlar layer to prevent it to penetrate the car.
Tbh I'm fairly sure I've seen you post similar stuff before. Anyone who knows what they're talking about knows that this was a freak accident and that the armco is more to blame than the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Well, I've read jibberish from you before, but do you really expect people to take you serious after a post like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Btw, I haven't caught myself seeing your "opinion" explained.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89388
the (priority 1) WRC drivers have finally got themselfs a Union, to get their voices being heard. F1 does already have a drivers commity for years, WRC has finally got one to.
agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
you can have all the degrees in the and thats great but why bull Sh.it on a topic you seem no know nothing about Barries,yes your entitled to your oppinion i have no problem,but to belittle people with knowledge on an issue thats not right,be a man and except that your inital comment was off the mark,
Maybe I was wrong.. After all I want to enjoy in Sweden WRC without anymore discussion..
30 mm restrictor for S2000 1.6T in 2011 yesterday officially approved - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11727
That is again a very good post, keep up the good work. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Thanks for the info. A very logical move, the S2000 1.6T would have been too fast with 33 mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
what size restrictor do the WRCars have?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
33 mm