Loeb wouldn’t have been as happy had he’d suffer the same power steering issue that plagued Ott, and after all, Loeb is the goat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Loeb wouldn’t have been as happy had he’d suffer the same power steering issue that plagued Ott, and after all, Loeb is the goat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
You really think it’s exactly the same car was it was a year ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
And after one year Toyota and Huyndai made mega progress
Different drivers and different styles, Loeb was there to have fun etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
This mid corner understeer was present throughout 2022 tarmac rallies. You have to be almost blind not to see it. Also I pointed this out in Monte test vids that the front lacks grip.
Also teams have had time to develop their cars and both TGR and HMSG have improved tremendeously. Especially the Yaris looks like it's glued to the surface and it's incredible to watch how confident it makes his drivers. This new engine upgrade seems to be also very nice as it pulls very well throughout the rev band. Though I must say that the i20 looks very clumsy.
But I'm hopeful that M-Sport will sort these issues out. That was the whole point why Ott moved to M-Sport that the team would build the car for his needs. This wasn't gonna happen in Hyundai
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So they have actually made it worse with all the understeer now ?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Breen was also very happy with the Puma in Monte '22 and Fourmaux did great times in Croatia.
Seems until we see Loeb in the car again we won't know how good it is.
And we can compare the stage times to see this. It was like 2 s/km faster on the shakedown already.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
This claim is just ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
However, to me it seems M-Sport lacks more in reliability than performance. Most of the rally Ott couldn't drive at 100% because he had some issues.
Why, when Loeb can be the benchmark after his events last year ?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I don't think Tanak could push here anyway due to unfamiliarity with the car and testing in such different conditions.
I agree with all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
The Hyundai is pretty much the opposite to the Ford, it’s very floaty at the rear, which is probably why it was so good in Japan on all those low speed, tight turns. Also Neuville is particularly good at those type of stages, gravel and tarmac.
The Toyota really does look a good piece of kit now, very impressive.
You’re right, I’m sure MSport will do everything they can to develop the car for Ott, for the sake of the competition, lets hope it’s enough to get him in the game.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It’s all relative to the pace they are going. All the cars have improved since last year, but at the pace of this year, the understeer was clearly a lot more pronounced.
And don’t forget, Ogier only didn’t win last year because of the puncture. Over the course of the rally, he was actually over half a minute faster than Loeb if you take that out.
The Puma isn’t a bad car, but in dry tarmac trim, it clearly isn’t at the level of the Toyota. Ott has said himself, he can go fast, but not for a whole loop as the tyres (fronts) won’t last.
Loeb likes understeer if i remember correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Suggesting the Puma can't go is foolish. Loeb was consistently at the front last year, and by his own admission Tanak pushed 100% only at the PS and matched the Toyotas. They need to clamp down on reliability and the package is a contender, no doubt.
Not at the current state. Why everybody's yacking about last years Monte which was 1) ran in different conditions 2) TGR & HMSG have been really madly developing their cars. M-Sport hasn't used any major jokers so far. Just look at the vids from 2022 tarmac rounds (especially Ypres crashes) and you will see what's wrong with the cars handling. Breen's crashes were not just unprovoked. 3) Loeb likes understeerQuote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Not really a rocket science now isn't it
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Did Loeb like understeer because he can find with it the limit of the car and so adjust the exit corner with the rear?
That's my understanding of it yes, if simply putQuote:
Originally Posted by manthey
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I believe so, actually quite similar to Latvala yet they are visually very different.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
Very much like Rohrl; Tony Fall sat in with him and couldn't get his head around how much understeer he could handle.....And both were useful on circuits.....Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
Then the rumor was true. Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
This is great and he needs it.
Remember in 2021 he also contested and found the setup for Arctic
Well still a rumour till M-sport or Tänak confirms it, but i doubt dirtfish throws something like this out just like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
4th February just got booked lol
We already made plans but this is getting even better!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
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Yeah. But we still need snow. Weather forecast is not very promising in that department but at least it seems it will be some minus degrees and roads will be hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Its official now Attachment 2374Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
And regarding snow, this picture is taken yesterday or the day before Attachment 2373Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
FCKING GREAT NEWS!!! 100% will be there!
Good news indeed and great to see M-Sport funding extra testing at a national event like Hyundai and Toyota.
It is great news, agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
You do always like to portray things like it's little old Msport out on their own though.
Ford and Red Bull are also involved in this "Tanak championship project". Sponsorship backing from Red Bull, and assistance with development work, planning & funds from Ford too. Ofcourse they don't have the financial might of Toyota or Hyundai, but Tanak wouldn't be at Msport if it wasn't for Ford and Red Bull working as a genuine joined up partnership with Msport.
Planetmarcus writes that Serderidis will also join Tänak and participate in Otepää Winter Rally
https://planetemarcus.com/serderidis...aa-talveralli/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries...lveralli-2023/Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
looks like true.
https://moottori.fi/ajoneuvot/jutut/...ha-tallaiseen/
Wilson interview (in Finnish) by the one and only Miika Wuorela. Wilson says that the rumors of Tänak owning now a share of M-Sport is not true.
Go figure when Wuorela himself told me these rumours. Maybe I should downgrade his ratings to "unreliable source" heheQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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Lately (1,5 year ago) he predicted that Rally1 cars will be slower than Rally2 in corners in Finland.
Then a year ago before Christmas he predicted that Tanak is retiring.
Hard to take him seriously, specially after that first one.
Well the problem with him is that he has been right as well in about 50/50 of the information he has been sharing to me. But I feel sometimes he is sharing and mixing his own biased thoughts with factual information.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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I'm afraid it comes from all the years when it pretty much WAS just M-Sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Even in recent years, and the loss of trade due to Covid, they have been left struggling for budget for testing (even with Red Bull & Ford Performance on board).
Ott Tänak is providing M-Sport Ford with feedback it has never had before...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak...has-never-had/
So someone here raised the rumor that Tänak now holds some shares of M-sport. Wilson Debunked it but username "tfr" in estonian rally forum pointed out an interesting thing.
Sorry if it has some mistakes, used google translate, too lazy early in the morning to start translating it myself.
I dont if it means anything or is nothing, just an interesting info.
maybe someone from UK can have a say if these changes show if idk comma error is done, or it has to be something bigger for it to be shown like that. Or maybe Tfr you are member here also.
"Unfortunately, the extract from the UK business register only shows that M-Sport Ltd is 100% owned by "M-Sport Ltd Share Release Trust", which is something about which I don't think you can get more detailed information unfortunately. However, it is worth noting that the "Latest update" of the company's data is "16 Jan 2023 - shareholders", i.e. that on 16.01 some change was made in the list of shareholders."
Maybe I should upgrade M. Wuorela's status as "reliable" again? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
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Also, someone pointed out that Tänak doesn't have that kind of money. The answer is pretty simple - Oleg Gross does have money and a lot of (2022 profit for his main company was 15,1 mil alone) + M.Märtin + O.Tänak and you get your finances straight.
EDIT: And I'm not saying it's 100% true but this finances thing should be now debunked
Monte road book https://youtu.be/pnXsvjkKs5A