The Fabia S2000 was also a bit higher than competition and it was a winner. This Iriz has a good wheel base and they can stretch it to R5 max width, so being a few more mms tall isn't a drama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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The Fabia S2000 was also a bit higher than competition and it was a winner. This Iriz has a good wheel base and they can stretch it to R5 max width, so being a few more mms tall isn't a drama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I saw the Proton Iriz today at Goodwood. If nothing else, it sounds good! Very early days set up wise, but it didn't look overly slow.
I got one clip of it if anyone cares to see it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_nZaHe16rU
Don't get me wrong but I believe that Škoda had a lot more resources than MEM to cope with it. To have a handicap at the start is bigger problem for smaller teams with lower budget. With Satria they actually had an advantage in the size of the bodyshell and even with that they could not make it fully competitive. What I wanted to say is that now they are not in better situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Prestone MSA BRC @MSA_BRC
We have had a good look around the striking Proton Iriz built to R5 spec by @mellorselliot @fosgoodwood. Exciting things to come!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDp-Y2sXcAAKFPU.jpg
So what are peoples thoughts on the Hyundai R5?
It seems to have been entered in a reasonable number of events, often with perhaps not the fastest drivers and has had pretty average results. Obviously Ypre was a little different, but even then with a top line WRC driver in it, it doesn't appear to have been that much quicker than any of the other R5 cars.
Also from watching the footage of Paddon in France last weekend he certainly was on the limit in places by the looks and yes he did have some issues, but was still comfortably beaten by a WRC2 driver. Yes I know tarmac isn't his preferred surface, but he is a WRC driver which should surely count for a lot given the ability to test/prepare/have the best of everything.
So is the Hyundai a bit of an average car, without that last little bit to be as competitive as the Skoda and Ford?
I think you are right. It seems Hyundai is a reliable car, without many technical issues, but it isn't as fast as Ford or Skoda. As far as I know i20 R5 hasn't won any important international rally. It has to be mentioned though, that there aren't many top drivers who drive this car on a regular basis. Giandomenico Basso is probably the only exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkvy
But success is still possible in this car. Iván Ares won Rallye de Ferrol on the last weekend in the Spanish rally championship.
Final results:
http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201...708_77760h.jpg
http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201...708_77760h.jpg
Marijan Griebel is going to try Hyundai R5 in a few days:
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-junior-gr...warm-up-rally/
Neuville debuted new jokers in Ypres, Pernía with same specs in Ferrol.
Afaik, Hyundai is much expensive than Ford, and performance not much better.
This is the bit I struggle with, does anyone know (and is allowed to talk about) the actual cost of the various R5s? I assume the Skoda is more expensive, and the faster car, but the Ford isn't far behind in price or performance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
And from what I have heard the Ford is easier to maintain/get work done on it, whereas Skoda Motorsport need to be involved more in servicing of cars they produce? But of course this is all conjecture based on rumour, so curious if anyone is able to confirm any of it?
But totally agree, the Hyundai doesn't seem to have many top line drivers so far, perhaps struggling to break into the market? Seems that perhaps they need someone good in the car for a decent period of time to prove it's ability?
Fiesta is reasonably cheaper both to buy and to run than Fabia, also thanks to the low GBP exchange rate after Brexit referendum. Also the customer support from M-Sport is the best You can get among all R5 on the market.
The success story of Ford Fiesta R5 continues. Rally Technology has just bought car number 225 for Lukasz Habaj. They are going to drive the remaining 4 rounds of the European Championship:
https://www.fiaerc.com/home-erc-comf...a-boost-habaj/
Surprising news from Luxembourg. Marijan Griebel, driving Hyundai i20 R5 for the first time, is faster than all WRC cars and official Peugeot Rally Academy driver Pepe López and wins Rally Lëtzebuerg. More about it here:
https://www.fiaerc.com/griebel-heads...in-luxembourg/
Final results and a video can be found here:
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/griebe...hyundaia,77937
Is it surprising? I don't see that hard competition when I look at the results.
Well, it's Griebel's first season in a R5 car and I expected more competition from Lopez and van Woensel.
Not the most reliable source, but Rallye Magazin is saying Opel will return with a R5 Corsa in 2019. Not with Holzer but in a joint project with Citroen Racing, as the car will be based on the C3 R5.
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/ar...-wohl-ab-2019/
If so that's a shame. Holzer did a good job with the R2 Adam and Gunter Holzer seemed to have great passion for their R5 project. To drop them for the lost boys at Citroen Racing is quite an insult, but not unpredictable when you consider the bigger picture...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Much better to have a manufacturer backed R5 project though. Helps if you can get the car homologated.
Yep, Citroen Racing recent tech records are hard to praise, but it’s fair to say that the DS3 R5 was heavily based on Peugeot Sport work with the 208 T16 and despite the long time they took to improve both cars reliability, they eventually managed to make them competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Btw, I'd also regret not to see Holzer’s Corsa in action, but this rumour seems the most viable (and rational) option: ’18 street Corsa will use current C3 platform and cooperation between brands, including their racing operations, is the main asset of PSA/GM Europe fusion.
224 to Brynildsen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFLk3cOW...jpg&name=large
Is iti allowed with paddle shit next year in R5 car?
Yes
Paddle shit? :D
Anyway... André, is it already official somewhere? I haven't seen any confirmation from FIA.
I guess it's a typo, but a very good and accurate one :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
:wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Toyota R5 will be built in Tallinn, Estonia in TGR´s new facilities. Says Tommi Mäkinen in today´s "keskisuomalainen" newspaper.
But not in near future.
We're all in complete agreement on this one. As if the segment was not expensive as it is...Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
In the preview program of Rally Vinho Madeira Stephane Lefebvre said he will test the C3 R5 for the first time next week, anyone know if the car has been running already before?
Some of its components were tried in either/both DS3 and 208 R5 shells, and this hybrid was said to be already faster than the current PSA R5 cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
For sure no complete C3 R5 will be able to drive in next few couple of weeks
Was there any confirmation of a larger restrictor for 2018 R5 cars as well as paddle shift?
Tidemand and Loix have been testing the Fabia in Greece this week with paddle shift: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yYctVWeCjnE
Liveries that you can make when you dont have to worry about sponsors :D , same with George Gross fiesta in Estonia. Those things are beautifull!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Very nice but not for the summer weather! One Czech car magazine recently measured difference in interior temperature of a black and silver car standing on the sun and there was massive 14°C difference inside. Comparison with white car will be even more brutal (big difference shall be expected also in engine bay).
I fully agree with Mirek, in Rzeszow we had car with black roof... crazy...
But as far as WRC designs go it doesn't seem to be the trend!Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
Do You remember this livery?
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/mcr/...hanninen_3.jpg
You can guess why it quietly transformed into this during the season :)
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/irc/...20Markkula.jpg
Thats why Prokop/Østberg put some cover
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/phot...l__w4b5461.jpg
Good to see Opel sponsoring Rally Germany.
could be a good sign for the R5 plans!