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So, what do all You guys think of the testing so far?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Weve seen everyone pretest Monte Carlo, and Hyundai in Sweden.
Any comments?
How do You think the cars look?
How do You think the drivers look?
you cant judge from these conditions and tyres something.The only i could say, is that Camilli was quickly adapted to a wrc car.
you tell me please!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
I agree, Camilli seemed at home in the WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
VW - business as usual.
Hyundai - hard to say, SWE test looked good. I think how interesting this season is depends on how close their new car is to VW.
Lundefaret and others as well, want to risk some prediction about Neuville, Camilli and Paddon? Here's mine:
Neuville: if the new car is fast he will regain confidence, stop overdriving and fight with the VWs, if not then more crashes
Camilli: will steadily improve from low part of top 10 to middle, maybe get close to the podium a few times
Paddon: will continue like last year and will have better results on rallies he knows. will be interesting to see how he (and also Camilli) does in China
im not an expert at all on this but FOR ME Latvala and Mikkelsen looked pretty much on the limit compared the others. The others looked pretty much the same for me.
Suninen testing for Monte
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Happy new year. Little 2015 best-of :
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It has been very interesting to follow Hyundais development of their new WRC-car.
It has steadily looked better and better, and is now resembling a quick rally car on most surfaces.
But I have seen some things that I am a little bit unsure about, and I wonder if any one else on this forum has paid special attention to some details, or have any likes/dislikes when it comes to the handling of the new i20?
I will "disclose" my "findings" later, but I want others to come with views unaffected by mine. Any one up for it?
Frankly I haven't noticed anything, or more exactly I can't tell how fast the car is from looking. But I would follow the discussion with interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
EDIT: only thing i did notice is the i20 body seems the "jump" and move more compared to the Polo. Harder suspension? Or maybe that's just the road characteristic.
i hope you will analyze everyone not just Hyundai drivers or the car :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
So you start to tease now? :) Very difficult for me to judge a car in some testing videos, there are many variables. I'm not an expert but I guess they test the car in all possible ways, including bad setups, wrong tyres, different driving styles and so on. So one can misunderstand how it performs. Let's see what you have found out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
And don't forget your lists. Lately you didn't use them too much. Very bad. ;)
I noticed a bit more understeering in slow/medium fast corners, especially on tarmac. And not just with the factory drivers, also with the first i20 WRC private driver in the world-Corrado Fontana.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Same here, quite a bit of understeering and to get the car turn very much sideways around the corners. Looks nice but clock does not like it, also risk of hitting something along the road is higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
Are there any gravel test so far? Only have seen tarmac I think in latest development.
To me, overall it isn't nearly as "smooth" as the Polo. Understeering (not much, but still) in the middle of the corner, the rear suspension seems to lack a bit of grip as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
Lappi on Monte test
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and KremerQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I wonder whether Lappi will use Michelin as a works Skoda driver or Pirelli as a BRR driver on Monte.
On test picture he's using michelins. I think he will use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
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RK with Pirellis
little video of Kubica, this is the right Monte weather!
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Video, Paddon Sweden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwSZ6Vg3eW4
To analyse its easier to take it corner, by corner, section by section.
My question to You is what do we think about:
0.10: Start/acceleration.
0.21: Turn/section
0.27: Turn/section
0.35: Long right hander
0.41: Snow bank steering
Kubica test is over. They slipped off the road on slush and hit tree. Not major damage, but can't continue cause the don't have spare parts.
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Some nice photos and short videos from today's Kubica test day:http://powrotroberta.blogspot.bg/201...nte-carlo.html
Gallery: Esapekka Lappi and Armin Kremer testing for Rallye Monte Carlo in Austria:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_best...pi_kremer.html
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Video - Esapekka Lappi / Armin Kremer - testing for Rallye Monte Carlo:
https://vimeo.com/151129617
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I'll give it a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Acceleration looks good.
Turn/section 21 and 27: It looks like he is throwing a car a bit sideways, but then he starts accelerating quite early so that is good, I guess you can call it nosendfirst'ish? :)
Long right hander, again he puts it sideways and early on throttle. Maybe car is set up to be more "tail happy" and use snowbanks to keep rear end on the road?
Generally I quite like what I see, looks pretty fast, at least it looks that way for my inexperienced eyes.
Let us know what you think Lundefaret.
Analyzing is worthless unless you donīt have more cars/drivers to compare with. Reasons are so many more you cant even count them all.
However the car sounds very powerful and looks good from aside. Hope Paddon makes history this year.
who is he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartek
Ptaszek!
Hubert PtaszekQuote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Edit: pic of the car befor the ditch:
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Thanks.
Meeting ditches on Monte test is not that unusual. The important thing is not to meet them during the rally. Good luck to him.
Shame Kubica hit a tree when he went off... damaged car means end of his test today, rather than tomorrow. :(
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RK: "Our crew planned to test two days, but after today's adventure is rather doubtful. Unfortunately, today's tests to the Rallye Monte Carlo we must end prematurely. The slush meant we went off the road and ran into a tree. The damage is small, but we are not able to repair the car on the spot due to a lack of spare parts." Maciej Szczepaniak: "Unfortunately this is the end of the test this weekend."
Okay, here is what I think - and I am open for input.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcco
What I will say is that - tough I dont completely agree with RallyPer about the "analysing is worthless" bit, its difficult to know about stuff like grip level etc, since I neither was present at the test, nor have any other cars to compare with.
0.10:
Very little squat/weight transfer in acceleration.
This could have several reasons, for example:
- Low grip
- Stiff sett up longitudinally compared to grip level
- Strategy (like wanting the car to pull more from the front, testing it with stiffer set up etc)
For me this is maybe there could have been more weight transfer to get more grip.
0.21:
Very little yaw.
This continues my observation in regards to the car being quite stiff in set up.
The front dips very little.
The VW has a very nice movement where it really lowers down on all four wheels - if You want it to.
The left hand corner is taken with a good amount of speed. But there is maybe to much oversteer on the exit. This is especially bad since the next straighter section starts with an uphill, so there is really no acceleration until just a few meters before the next right hander.
And then the car is placed to the right, so not an optimal position for the best acceleration.
A driver like Ogier would have gotten a little more acceleration out of the left hander, just to win a couple of metres, maybe five, on the opponents.
0.27:
Turn in maybe a little to early, so that full acceleration have to wait a little to long?
Acceleration looks OK, but this is difficult to judge whit out a comparison, but it looks like a very good pull from the front.
Still very little body movement longditudally, which either means a stiff set up or low grip, or a combination.
0.35:
Long right hander.
- 0.36: Coming in to the frame with an accelerating rotation angle.
- 0.37: The car has quit a big rotation angle with all wheels pointing in one direction.
- 0.37,5: The steering wheels start pointing in to the turn.
The rest of the corner is driven with this kind of understeer. And this is very fast, and should be a result of a driver with both high confidence in the car, and grip level.
(Or else its just madness:))
0.41:
Snow bank steering.
Comes in to the frame with a very accelerating rotation angle.
Hits the snow bank with the rear, which stops the rotating, and straightens the car for a clean acceleration.
This is a high risk move:
- Snow banks can have different densities.
- The hit in the rear could force a counter reaction in the front, leading the front to be pushed out hard and fast.
But as long as You have these two issues covered, this is a very fast way to end the turn before acceleration.
Summary:
- The car looks to be surprisingly stiff in set up.
- Paddon tends to drive very long with much oversteer when he is under certain grip levels, as we saw in the Monte test with studs on asphalt. He should work on developing some tools to counter this - when its needed.