Beef was killed in a 307.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
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Beef was killed in a 307.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
Sorry for the incorrection. Although Latvala's crash in Portugal showed how the Focus has improved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
Rollcage isn't a magic tool that can twist and bend the laws of physics. All those Ford accidents (and Park in Peugeot btw.) were crashes where the level of speed was high and the area to which all forces were dissipated was very small. Adding the fact, that impacts were side or roof orientated.
I think that the best testimony of Ford's rollcages being actually robust are the Galli incident in Germany and Mikko's semi-crash in GB in 2006. Galli had a fifth gear (165+kph) side orientated crash to solid objects and the only injury was? A broken femur! :eek: That's one helluva achievement! Ofcourse the "200 mm rule" also helped in the situation. Mikko hit a big stone sideways with speed of about 100 kph. The "funny" thing about the crash was that Mikko wasn't hurt at all - but then again Jarmo, who was sitting on the opposite side of the impact suffered a rib fracture. Because of the car body being so tough.
A very special case was Duval's off in Japan back in 2008. Patrick Pivato received life-threatening injuries but luckily survived. The surviving is solely because of a special rigid-steel beam which was incorporated to Focus' hemline (<- don't know the right autotechical word, called "helma" in Finnish). There's an article somewhere about this where Loriaux tells about it but I can't find it now...
I also don't understand what are these "serious injuries" you are talking about... Since when has a standard bone fracture been categorized as a serious injury? They are not inherently dangerous but they can lead to more severe injuries like in case of rib fracture to a pneumothorax or severe internal bleeding due to broken bone damaging internal organs.
The loss of Beef was a terrible tragedy but as far as I know, there wasn't involved anykind of rollcage failure. It did excatly what it was supposed to do - only the high speed, mass and the small force dissipating area were too strong opponents to the 307. What I have heard, the injuries leading to the terrible loss were head/neurological/neck orientated and there's very little what a rollcage can do against those kind of injuries - sadly. :(
"Possum" Bourne co-driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
Bourne also died on a Subaru Forester on a road accident
Rodger Freeth. He wasn't any average Joe, held a Ph.D. in (astro)physics and was a distinguished academic. AFAIK he desinged and built some rather crazy cars while studying in the university.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICARDO75
Markko had a very nasty off in Argentina driving Ford (speed 170-180 kmh), destroyed the car completely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2vOv...has_verified=1
And Solberg the destroyed the Subaru in Germany.. Makinen in Argentina.. McRae's multiple crashes both in Legacy and Impreza..Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Not completely... We saw that car in NORF 2010 driven by Jouni Arolainen. It've also been in use by Andreas Mikkelsen.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
http://www.jouniarolainen.com/jone/e.../kalusto08.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEtMi9RrFAE
David Richards talks about mini and reveals fourth manufacturer ( skoda) in wrc
He says VW (and not Skoda) but we will see..Quote:
Originally Posted by GINE
YOU ARE RIGHT. IWAS IN A NOISY PLACE AND THOUGH HE SAID UNDER SKODA BRAND. BUT ACTUALLY SAID VW RATHER THAN SKODA. EITHER WAY, GREAT NEWS!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Italians that bought 3 cars! Is it Ralliart with one car for Armindo?! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GINE
Wilson not sure for full 2011 season
http://www.wrc.com/news/wilson-waiti...mme/?fid=14033
the Subaru Legacy in the 'Freeth' accident had the seat belts not attached to the roll cage.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICARDO75
Was the Lovell / Freeman Subaru Impreza a Prodrive or Vermont Sports car constructed machine ?
When I listened to the interview of DR and when he was saying something like
“it’s the first time for a long time that people, private teams and drivers buying a Mini, will have an identical car compared to the car that Chris and Dani have…..”
Don’t knowing what the homologation regulations says about the ECU, but reading the specific regulations I interpret this as there can be only one mapping software for the ECU, which means the same mapping software must be used in every car.
Knowing that the ECU has several different modes (road mode, safety mode, very slow stage, slow stage etc.) there could be for some reason some buttons not working at the control panel in the car but I don’t think that would be possible in practice.
Maybe it’s the first time for a long time works drivers and privateers are driving equal cars with no down tuning by mapping. At least let’s hope so.
From Article 255A Specific Regulations for Super 2000 (Rallies) / WRC
5.1 Engine
e) Engine electronic control system
Any electronic driving aid system is prohibited (ABS / ASR / EPS…).
Only the homologated electronic control unit (ECU), actuators, and data acquisition systems may be used. The homologated ECU and engine control software must be used.
Dont believe it. Maybe in first year, when all cars will be serviced by manufacturer teams...
impossible to control the softwear inside ss.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Not to mention an internationally renowned champion motorcycle racer. Rodger was one out of the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
True, after Rodger's death it became more the norm to attach harnesses to the cage. When Rodger was killed the mounting point was at the floor, like in the old days. His death was the catalyst to re-locating harness mounting points..Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeakiwi
Marl Lovell and Roger Freeman would possibly have lived if they had HANS devices.
You not wrong there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
I virtually never never post on here for profesonal reasons but i can't hold my tounge on this one...
I built and striped most of the smashed up cars your slagging off here including the germany car Tommys argentina car, all of Chris's numurous cars and you are talking total b****ks
Good on ya Bubba!!! well said. Prodrive Ralliart and Hyundai cars were WELL put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbaontour
The software (operating system) controls the operation of the ECU, i.e. in which situations depending on the inputs what data is output to the controlled devices (fuel injectors, ignition timing etc.). When there’s a set of mode options to choose from, the mode can be changed during the stage. All these modes (modes = memory data blocks) options have been homologated.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
The software in an ECU is in a permanent flash/ROM memory (comparable to the hard disk of a PC) and is loaded into the RAM memory during start up.
In the ECU are all the software and necessary data (mapping) needed. If all of these bytes of data are homologated, it’s no problem reading it and compares it with the homologated ones. All the checking program has to do is to scan true the memory addresses and compare the data in every memory address to the homologated ones.
And I don't normally respond to messages that are purely based on ad hominem circumstantiae but I couldn't hold my fingers on this one. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbaontour
In what way I'm talking "total b****ks"? Subarus had only one diagonal roof tube in 2005. That's a fact. No other WRC car in 2005 had one diagonal roof tube. I admit, I was a bit harsh in my words, but the facts were correct. Also the 2008 Impreza didn't have "modern" two V-shaped tubes in the door - it had one diagonal tube to which two additional diagonal tubes were attached and the connection area was reinforced with steel plate construction.
I also may ask - why wasn't there ANY exterior photos or videos made available from Atkinson's car after the 2007 crash in Japan? With hard work I was able to obtain four bad-quality photos taken with a cameraphone by a marshall.
First and foremost; I'm not alone with my observations. I don't have any intentions to bash certain persons and/or companies. Just saying out loud my sightings an/or things which have been told to me.
I know all these mate but.......you cant identify if a map is different(ie.allow more boost,more timing etc) inside a rom. Million maps inside,and is something that can t measure like a wishbone,or a brake rotor.It is easy to cheat especially for a works team.Different maps can change even without touching the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
The data in a ROM (read only memory) memory can’t be changed; it’s permanently there forever (or at least for the lifetime of the ROM memory). It’s no matter if there’s million or billion bytes of data, all the data can be compared to a “homologated” one.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
But as I said in my first post on this issue, I don’t know how the homologation procedure works regarding the ECU but concerning the S2000 cars that have the rev limiter in the ECU (and also the 2011 WRC cars have an absolute intake manifold pressure control), and somehow that can be controlled.
The problem is of course that there can be a mapping that not allow full boost (below 2,5 bar absolute) for the privateers but if the only boost control that’s allowed is the same for both works team and privateers, isn’t should be a problem.
Modern ECUs are much more advanced than this; use flash memory, cpu's and dynamic parameters that is not possible just with ROM. I see nothing in the regulations that suggest that one car shall have equal settings to another. If this was the case it would be explicitly noted. It's just the software logic and hence use of parameters/sensor input that seems to be the target of the homologation. Which gives them ability to control what type of sensors are allowed to be used, and what they control. This is the central part of article 5.1.e, and makes perfect logical sense. It's the only way they can enforce those rules.
In such case the rpm limit and boost should be fixed parameters. And the software logic should not permit those to be exceeded. However that doesn't mean though that you can't have other parameters/settings that can be tuned. It doesn't make sense as it would be too technically limiting, and nothing either indicates such to be the case. So to me it looks clear that every car can be set up differently.
He also developed the pace note system of identifying corners by the steering angle requiredQuote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
PSA is develloping a 1.6T engine to fit also in the Peugoet 207 S2000? I read on different sites the news of Peugeot homologatong in 2011 a 1.6T version of the Peugoet 207 S2000/207 SP.
ORECA is the developper of Skoda's 1.6T engine?
Wow, I didn't know this... Do you have any additional information about the system? Sounds a bit like Loeb's special system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido
I don't think that we'll see 1.6T 207.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Wow, new look of the best forum in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by bretddog
CPU’s has been used for decades already. Intel introduced their first CPU (4004, 4 bit processor) in 1971 and few years later the 8008 (8 bit processor).
Dynamic parameters yes but there’s have to be a program to change these parameters and that should be able to homologated i.e. what is the program allowed to do.
But not the best look ... I cannot get used to it and it's already day two...Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
It is really less pleasant to read the monitor, it's too light!! :-(((
i also dont like it yet. but i think we´ll get used to it soon.
i mis the oppertunity to skip easily form world rally to IRC. It is more complicated with the new forum :(
How come? Just below the page numbers there is a little 'quick navigation' menu which leads to every subforum on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
I prefer username and avatar left from the post instead of above it. You loose way to much scrollspace.
I had read an article, that Citroen will have difficulties getting the fith DS3 WRcar available for Rally Sardinia. I can't dfind it anymore, only a French article. Has someone a link to the Englisch version of the article? thanks
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8005/equipeds3.jpg
Don't know what happened but new forum design looks terrible..
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
I dont think it looks terrible, most users were used to the old setup and it might take a while before we get used to this.