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Originally Posted by indycool
The 20 million per show is accepted, 200 million different viewers is not. Which was my point, and you know it. Sidestep it all you want... :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by indycool
The 20 million per show is accepted, 200 million different viewers is not. Which was my point, and you know it. Sidestep it all you want... :rolleyes:
Oh, okay, I was not aware you were disputing repeats....certainly, I would think, there were plenty of viewers who followed the whole thing.
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Originally Posted by indycool
Absolutely, but they do not add up to 200 million separate viewers. Which was always your ilk's dispute with CC attendance, wasn't it?
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Originally Posted by grungex
But since we were willing to accept the CC attendance numbers for a weekend despite the fact we knew some folks are being counted twice, and I was among those willing, why should we now be unwilling to accept the 200 million number???
I thought the CC numbers legitimate and I find the DWTS numbers equally legitimate. If there were 20 million individual viewers, then that 200 million means they tuned in TEN times. That means they came back. They voted with their remote controls. The mere fact that they saw Helio ten weeks in a row, makes them even MORE likely to want to come see him at his real job should the circus (in a GOOD sense of the word) come to their town.
It's like website stats. Individual numbers are good but return visit numbers are even better!
Gary
I wasn't the one disputing Champ Car math, merely pointing out the inconsistency in indycool's post. One can't have it both ways, but some folks try...
grungex, I already acknowledged your point about repeat viewers and would have in advance if I realized that WAS your point. I know that the counting of CART/CC attendance figures including the same guy for three days is a big deal to some, but in my OWN view of CART/CC attendance figures, I don't know how you build 22,000 seats at Cleveland and have no GAs and announce six-figure numbers for the weekend, no matter how many times someone turns the turnstile (up to three).
Let's see your proof. How about offering us the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by rpralon
Number of crashes OF ANY KIND per mile raced in 2007 for:
IRL
CCWS
ALMS
Grand Am
NASCAR
And then...
Number of SERIOUS (resulting in a driver missing at least one race due to injury) crashes per mile raced in 2007 for:
IRL
CCWS
ALMS
Grand Am
NASCAR
You made the comment, now let's see the proof. It's going to take some work on your part, but if you are going to make that sort of assessment, it is only fair that you are asked to back it up.
Either what you say is true, or you have just accepted, and then offered as fact, the statements made by fanitical fans at other forums that speak only with an agenda.
Without that proof, what you say is indeed insulting to "real IRL fans" everywhere, regardless of your intent.
By the way, I can remember (and attended) a minimum of 4 IRL oval races over the past few years where there was absolutely NO contact with anything - cars, walls, NOTHING - during the course of not only the race, but throughout the entire racing weekend for the ICS (although there were from the support series such as the Trucks).
Can you make that claim for CCWS?
I will give you more effective data.
Last drivers who died in top racing series:
IRL : Paul Dana (2006) and Tony Renna (2003)
NASCAR : Dale Earnhardt Sr. (2001)
CART/CC: Gonzalo Rodrigues an Gred Morre ( 1999)
F1: Airton Senna and Roland Ratzenberger (1994)
Sorry, no that is not effective data at all when you were talking about the number of crashes. Now you want to switch horses and talk about the number of deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by rpralon
Nope, keep it on topic. What were the number of crashes per mile driven in the series?
And lets say, just for the sake of argument, that there were more in the ICS than CCWS. How do you make this sudden leap of faith, that because there are more that means the fans must WANT more? That's like suggesting that NFL fans only watch football to watch players carried off the field on stretchers. I suggest they watch in spite of the fact that there is an occasional player carried off the field.
Gary
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Originally Posted by garyshell
My god, what does this have to do with anything? I got "hit" from starter talking about the reality of the sport, that people die and we go here.
I think people need to grow up as this topic is for teenagers. As a person that lost person friends in Open Wheel I am offended by topics like this! :mad: