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You need to know more about Enzo Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Had Kimi won a WDC in a Ferrari by the halfway point of a season?Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
The answer is "No".
Only Schumacher achieved that.
Kimi came into a team that knew how to win, something that Fernando has not been so lucky to do. Kimi was lucky his predecessor left him the legacy of a championship-capable seat. Fernando has received no such charity.
lol, priceless analysis here
and you know him personally right? you know his thinking, his knowledge his passions,Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
ridiculous
Is that your standard for being a Ferrari driver?Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
and exactly how many times did MSC achieve that?
I guess the other 5 championships were below your standards then and were not worthy of being a "true" ferrari driver :down:
what are you talking about, Kimi came from Mclaren a team that knew how to win pretty darn well, with drivers like prost, senna, lauda, Hakkinen, all driving for them. Meanwhile alonso came from a team that knew how to win as well, after winning 2 championships with them and the same team that gave MSC his first 2 WDC's. But I guess a little thing like history or actually knowing the facts gets in the way of your red mist.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Btw in 2005 & 2006 prior to Kimi joining them, Ferrari were according to your reasoning, losers.
So kimi actually came to the team and made them winners (by your logic)
Enzo Ferrari was along those lines - but you also have to remember he only hired good drivers, so in addition to crashing they would also win.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I realize this is not the history section so - the best illustration of his attitude to drivers that people here might be able to relate to is how he was with Gilles.
Between Raikkonen and Alonso - he would go for Alonso everytime I think, and would have tried Raikonnen but then fired him well before Luca pushed him out.
The secret to being a Ferrari driver was knowing when to leave. You do not just driver for a team there, you are co-opted to drive for a nation.
Absolutely :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
At Mclaren drivers can be like dead fishes.
I see that everyone here is anything at their disposal. History, geography, nationa;lities, etc.
I had not idea that F1 required so much knowledge. For the Mc:aren fans you are buring tyhe Ferrari team way too early. And the fact that you mightr be haed of the red cars does not mean you are going to finish in fornt of the RB team. So, relax. And save your ammunition for later. Who knows, somebody might just lose by.......ONE point again :) )))
That's a good one - championship capable seat my @r5e.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Shoe couldn't win since the dominance of 04. So it took a change of pilot in 07 to bring the championship.
Twit.
As posted in another thread...quit personal comments/insults right now or you'be sent on vacation for a long time ! And yes I am sick and tired of asking this all the time :mad:
Perhaps you can give examples of the Enzo Ferrari that didn't take the attitude of win at all costs. I certainly haven't seen reference to them. He even went so far as to have race schedules changed to retain the title the Shelby Daytonas were about to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
In what season had Schumacher won the title half way through the season? Unless you are looking at date lines rather than half the races, I'm not seeing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Granted that Alonso came into a seat not as capable, as the Brawn and Red Bull cars made up and surpassed the Ferrari in performance in 2009. But regardless of that, I see no reason to degrade Kimi for performing very well and winning a WDC in a car that was among the best at the time.
As for 2008 Kimi finished just one position behind his team mate Felipe in the WDC standings, so it's not as if he didn't perform at all.
Exactly right. Winning at all costs, yes, that was Enzo. Everytime his cars raced.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Which was what I was saying. Which is why the Raikkonen of 2008 and 2009 would not have pleased the great man. 2007, nobody was being critical....but since then, Kimi did not show the hunger. A Ferrari driver must display passion, attitude and desire.
But, even though I expect you will not agree, I thank you for being polite and discussing this in a sensible manner.
Despite Ferrari having basically the car-driver combo to beat in '75-'77, Enzo and Niki Lauda fell out in 1977. So that's what I would call one example. Another former WDC, who suddenly left Ferrari, was Surtees in 1966.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter