[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

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4th January 2009, 17:06
Gard

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Originally Posted by Sulland

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This is a good system, if they can get it to work in practical life !!

How on earth is that going to work? You cannot change from an optimal aspirated engine to a turbo version with a simple bolt on kit. That would be close to full engine rebuild. Much easier and probably cheaper to just change the engine.
4th January 2009, 17:18
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Gard

How on earth is that going to work? You cannot change from an optimal aspirated engine to a turbo version with a simple bolt on kit. That would be close to full engine rebuild. Much easier and probably cheaper to just change the engine.

Well if the compression ratio is low enough on the NA engine it could just be a straight swap as long as there's not too much boost.
4th January 2009, 17:25
Bazza2541

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Originally Posted by Gard

How on earth is that going to work? You cannot change from an optimal aspirated engine to a turbo version with a simple bolt on kit. That would be close to full engine rebuild. Much easier and probably cheaper to just change the engine.

Perhaps the myriad of engineering people who work for the car manufacturers and WRC teams know something that you don't?
4th January 2009, 19:10
JFL

Is'nt there talk about 40-50hp extra in the +version? That would'nt require a lot of boost to the engine.. The today's wrc cars have about 100-130+hp without boost! I guess some other things like antilag and launch control puts a lot of strain to the engines and will not be on the new cars..
4th January 2009, 19:53
HaCo

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Originally Posted by Gard

How on earth is that going to work? You cannot change from an optimal aspirated engine to a turbo version with a simple bolt on kit. That would be close to full engine rebuild. Much easier and probably cheaper to just change the engine.

Maybe if you rent the kit, it is WITH a motor in it.
4th January 2009, 20:38
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Yes I don't get what was wrong with GroupA. If manufacturers struggled to make money from it it's because they didn't make decent cars or marketthem properly.

I'm another who thinks the Group A regs were the best. And doesn't really accept the reasons the Manufacturers gave for it's end. The Homologation regs of ???? cars per year wasn't viable - or so we are told. At least then - Joe Public could go to his local dealer and buy the road version of the Rally car. Now, you cannot do this - look at the soon to be released RS Focus, in all honesty it's just a glorified ST. It has very little in common with the WRCar - no 2LTurbo, no 4WD - So how is it an RS??
The more the Road & WRCars are the same the better - surely. At the moment, the WRCars are basically Prototypes - and sadly, the S2000's are not much better.

And as for marketing - well Citroen have really gone to town with their success of 2008, haven't they??
4th January 2009, 20:43
Tomi

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Originally Posted by HaCo

Maybe if you rent the kit, it is WITH a motor in it.

I too think there will be different motor in the kit package.
4th January 2009, 20:44
A.F.F.

Am I too late with this news? Gardemeister got himself an Abarth for Monte.
Team will be Astra like his rally with them back in the days of 307.

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uut...2009/01/773422
4th January 2009, 20:59
Daniel

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

I'm another who thinks the Group A regs were the best. And doesn't really accept the reasons the Manufacturers gave for it's end. The Homologation regs of ???? cars per year wasn't viable - or so we are told. At least then - Joe Public could go to his local dealer and buy the road version of the Rally car. Now, you cannot do this - look at the soon to be released RS Focus, in all honesty it's just a glorified ST. It has very little in common with the WRCar - no 2LTurbo, no 4WD - So how is it an RS??
The more the Road & WRCars are the same the better - surely. At the moment, the WRCars are basically Prototypes - and sadly, the S2000's are not much better.

And as for marketing - well Citroen have really gone to town with their success of 2008, haven't they??

Couldn't agree more. I think the main problem with group A was manufacturers trying to sell the minimum amount of cars. Subaru showed how many cars you can sell with group A regs. Even before the WRC regs Subaru was selling good numbers of cars at least in Australia.
4th January 2009, 21:01
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

I'm another who thinks the Group A regs were the best. And doesn't really accept the reasons the Manufacturers gave for it's end. The Homologation regs of ???? cars per year wasn't viable - or so we are told. At least then - Joe Public could go to his local dealer and buy the road version of the Rally car. Now, you cannot do this - look at the soon to be released RS Focus, in all honesty it's just a glorified ST. It has very little in common with the WRCar - no 2LTurbo, no 4WD - So how is it an RS??
The more the Road & WRCars are the same the better - surely. At the moment, the WRCars are basically Prototypes - and sadly, the S2000's are not much better.

It's not even as if Group A in its original form took a lot of effort to homologate a decent car, because mainstream 'hot hatches' like the Golf GTi, Astra GTE/Kadett GSi and Renault 11 Turbo were eligible and didn't require their manufacturers to build a special model to meet the homologation requirements. Add to that the fact that the BMW M3 and Ford Sierra Cosworth were intended for racing as well as rallying, and it was a cost-effective formula.

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