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Originally Posted by garyshell
What serve for me? I prefer to wait and see some races before answer this question but I don't hope a big improvement in quality of races this year.
About the AOW future? I don't know.. but for me the problem is more about people( charismatic drivers ) than series, cars and races... CART in their last years had nice cars and great races but didn't have a genuine hero to catch the public and midia's attention .
This is the type of accounting you used to scream about when applied to Champ Car weekend attendance. The hypocrisy is astounding, but not at all surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by indycool
Get back to us when 200 million (or 20 million) people tune in to watch him race.
According to news accounts it was 350,000,000 viewers of DWTS. So if .5% watch an ICS race, that would be 1,700,000 or about 1.8 rating. So half of that would be a .9 on top of a .6. Don't forget Danica and the hand full of un bitter fans so it could go as high as 2.0. Of course it won't if it does it out distance the NHL.Quote:
Originally Posted by grungex
Rpralon, my biggest objection to your posts is your stated opinion that "real IRL fans" watch the series in their hopes to see crashes.
I want to ask you a serious question. I would like to ask you what is EXACTLY your evidence for that statement?
I would consider myself a "real IRL fan," and I can tell you that I believe there is NOTHING more thrilling than seeing side-by-side racing with finishes that are thousandths of a second apart. The LAST thing I - and I think the VAST majority of "real IRL fans" - want to see while that is going on is any kind of incident to stop the action.
MY evidence for that? I have been to dozens of IRL races where the close racing has been thrilling to the point of the crowd noise drowning out the roar of the cars. When there IS an accident (generally somewhere else in the field), blown engine or debris on the track that brings out the yellow, the crowd simply deflates and grows quiet. It's pretty obvious that the crowd was getting off on the racing, not waiting for an accident.
Exactly what is your experience in this area? How many IRL races have you seen in person? How many times have you seen two (or three) cars come off the final turn waiting to see which one would get the slightest advantage at the checkered flag?
Do yourself a favor. Before you stereotype "real IRL fans" with the disgusting insinuation that they are in it for the crashes, quit basing your opinions on the ravings of the children on some of the other forums and see what you can find out about those "real IRL fans" from them. Get some facts.
I'm one of those "real IRL fans."
Davey Hamilton is a friend. I wept as I watched them pull his broken body out of his car at TMS. I wept again when I watched him on the web cam pull out for his first lap of practice since the accident at Indy in 2007. Several years after Davey's accident, I prayed even as pieces from Kenny Brack's car were still spinning across the track after touching wheels with Tomas Scheckter. I found it hard to watch as Jason Priestly's IPS car came to a stop just yards from where I was at Kentucky. I can assure you those are among three memories I wish I could cleanse from my memory.
I'm a "real IRL fan." Don't you dare presume to tell me I'm there for the crashes. And don't presume to tell me I'm any different than other "real IRL fans." It's insulting, it's ignorant, and it's just not true.
I want to take small issues with you....Quote:
Originally Posted by DrJackMiller
A) There NEVER was ONE culture OR fan BASE. The entirety of it all was composed of speculating promoters, car owners, too large a pool of driver wannabes, educated & casual fans, bloodsport fans, drunks, kids wives who could give a **** and trhill seekers of every color in every classification above.
B) Around the old Waltrip shops they had a refined perspective on that very observation, they said
"IF you don't have yesterday behind you by noon today, you probably won't have a tomorrow either!"
C) Blind faith & hatred will always WORK... EVERMORE.
WHY?
Because as long as ignorance, laziness, decption and the accecptence of them is tolerated stupidity will have a large vocal grasp on the enjoyment, expertise and promise in conversation that is SUPPOSED to be about openwheeled racing.
When people do not defend when they know is correct (historicly or socially) it invites those with other agendas or social morals, who are actually just looking for an audience that will tolerate their
"I can form an opinion therefore it is as valid as any other"
attitude & associated behavioral misanthropy.
You have just witnessed it from the inside and have 13yrs of firsthand knowledge, which, in experience, would give you a BS in B.S.!!
So did you miss the lesson or were you so fixed looking at the scenery that you missed the only possible conclusion....?
THERE CAN NEVER BE
ENOUGHT MONEY AND SUCKERS
TO SUSTAIN A PYRIMID
and have anyone but the originators or controlers profit from it.
In the end EVERYONE involved winds up losing money, time, face or more.
Other than that Dr. Jack,
if you are the same ol' Doc from aways back
where the slime is thicker than blood
then I still respect you and your opinions
and even if you THINK your not there for the crashes,
you ARE!
Because you wanna see miracles in racing just as bad as anyone else and crashes are where they usually take place.
I love watching Jethro Bodines heroic disintegrational demonstration & survival at Daytona in what was once a truck. It was a 100% positive testament to the skill & abilities of everyone from the spec team to the welder to the driver because in the end it ALL worked exactly as it was meant to and EXPECTED to!
I just don't like any of the crashes where permanent injury or worse occurrs and I am sure that you don't either.
And that my friend makes you a fellow race fan.
Which is the reason I took the time to point out how you mis-spoke, because I give a damn about REAL RACE FANS, Drivers and crew workers and not so much about car owners or promoters.
I look forward to see'n ya around the pits................. :cool:
PsssT...hey Bud,Quote:
Originally Posted by tbyars
You shouldn't ought to let the rantings of people consumed by fantasy, themselves and self loathing get your attention, don't you realize that your TIME,EFFORT and ILLWILL is all they can surrvive on?
It's an addiction thing for them, it thrills them just like watching a squirrel get run over the 4th time.
Treat them the same as you do the guy who lives 9 miles away from you...
never give him a thought, recognize his existance or pay him an ioter of your sweet time or energy.
He wins when his crap sicks to YOUR barn and you acknowledge it, they're HIS rules and you play by them! :mad:
Bother to INFORM YOU when a racing event of note occurrs?Quote:
Originally Posted by grungex
HA!
DOUBLE HA
You'll know, it will be about the time you are trampled by all those feet headed back to the crown jewel in motorsports, and if you regain concieousness quick you will see they have all left you in their dust once again....but hey you can always watchit on tee-vee and be as smug as you need to be to maintain that attitude of
" the world is always wrong when they don't listen to me!"
Stay where you are, there ain't no room for you there anyway, there are no seats at INDY located in a hole that you don't dig yourself....take it to the bank.
No, grungex, those are accepted Nielsen numbers. There's no further point in discussing CART/CC announced attendance.
I didn't want to insult any IRL fan, but I can't disconnect crashes involving multiple cars from IRL's image. I can't remember any oval IRL race without crashes and there are rumors that the series champion have gone to NASCAR due to security risks . So if somebody really doesn't want to see dangerous crashes and support IRL races seems to me a kind of incoherence. Crashes are part of motor sports but in IRL recently they have happened over limits.Quote:
I'm a "real IRL fan." Don't you dare presume to tell me I'm there for the crashes. And don't presume to tell me I'm any different than other "real IRL fans." It's insulting, it's ignorant, and it's just not true.
Well, guess you've been coached well in the image that has been presented at CW and elsewhere about the IRL.
ANY form of motorsport is dangerous. The drivers have preferences and feelings about things at certain times. Emerson Fittipaldi's career was thought to be done when he was out of F1, and all of a sudden, he comes to the U.S., joins the series, learns ovals and wins Indy twice. Others come here because they can't get to F1 or stay in it (Mike Andretti and da Matta, over and back; Guerrero and Boesel, over here and stayed.)
Michael Schumacher said the Indy 500 was too dangerous for him. FOR HIM. It WASN'T too dangerous for a 19-year-old American college girl named Sarah Fisher, nor is it today.
That's just different strokes for different folks. If they went to NASCAR thinking that's bulletproof safe, remember the tragedy of Dale Earnhardt.