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5th July 2010, 07:11
Tazio

Adios fella's,
When I came back to this forum and thought I would try to do some research, dig up IMG's of Ferrari's F10B upgrades, and do my level best to do the legwork of compiling it, and presenting it. Only to find that anti Ferrari members only use this as a platform to deride the team from the top down. Then I found myself getting sucked into the,” I can out insult you game”. I think I will just let this thread go the same way every other thread does. Be closed by the Mod's or fade away.
This too shall pass :wave:
5th July 2010, 12:51
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

McLaren wouldn'tve won constructors because they cheated, and there's no guarantee that their drivers would've outscored Massa if they didn't cheat.

I wasn't talking about the constructors championship, but the drivers championship, which I believe Ferrari wouldn't have won without Kimi.
5th July 2010, 18:33
jens

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

I wasn't talking about the constructors championship, but the drivers championship, which I believe Ferrari wouldn't have won without Kimi.

Depends on who would have been instead of him in the car. It's worth remembering that Kimi was struggling quite notably in the first half of 2007 and was as many as 26 points off the lead at one point, so overall his season wasn't that impressive even if the second half of the season was. I personally think that the best performer of 2007 was - as incredible as it may sound - Heidfeld.
5th July 2010, 20:33
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Adios fella's,
When I came back to this forum and thought I would try to do some research, dig up IMG's of Ferrari's F10B upgrades, and do my level best to do the legwork of compiling it, and presenting it. Only to find that anti Ferrari members only use this as a platform to deride the team from the top down. Then I found myself getting sucked into the,” I can out insult you game”. I think I will just let this thread go the same way every other thread does. Be closed by the Mod's or fade away.
This too shall pass :wave:

Like Homer would put it: you´ve tried your best and failed miserably. Lesson is never try :laugh:
6th July 2010, 08:45
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by jens

Depends on who would have been instead of him in the car. It's worth remembering that Kimi was struggling quite notably in the first half of 2007 and was as many as 26 points off the lead at one point, so overall his season wasn't that impressive even if the second half of the season was. I personally think that the best performer of 2007 was - as incredible as it may sound - Heidfeld.

Arguably the Mclaren was the best car in 2007, at least on the majority of the circuits, and to win the championship against them is a pretty good feat in itself, and that too in his first year in a new car going against a credible teammate who had been in the team for the previous two years, defeating even Schumacher on various occassions.

At the end of the year, he had 6 victories with both Fernando and Lewis at 4 apiece. Add to that, Kimi had two mechanical failures throwing away points, compared to no mechanical failures for both Mclarens, only mistakes, Lewis in China and Alonso in Japan.

So, IMO in 2007 his performance was a hell of a lot better than what a lot of people give him credit for, especially some races where he won because of sheer speed, like Silverstone where he beat both Mclarens during pitstops due to incredible lap times. Sure, his performance waned in the coming years, but 2007 showed what he can do when his head is screwed on right.
6th July 2010, 13:06
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

So, IMO in 2007 his performance was a hell of a lot better than what a lot of people give him credit for, especially some races where he won because of sheer speed, like Silverstone where he beat both Mclarens during pitstops due to incredible lap times. Sure, his performance waned in the coming years, but 2007 showed what he can do when his head is screwed on right.

For Kimi, 2007 was excellent, I do not disagree. But it was because his "performance waned" and he didn't always have his "head screwed on right" that he was no loss to the Scuderia at the end of 2009.

A top driver must deliver 100% all the time, not only when everything is good.
6th July 2010, 13:22
DonJippo

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

A top driver must deliver 100% all the time, not only when everything is good.

How do you measure that? When everything is not right, let's say car is not perfect, how do one measure if a driver is delivering 100% or not? Are we still expecting a driver to be able to win or is a top 8 result ok? Where do we set the limits for 100% delivery?
6th July 2010, 14:47
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

How do you measure that? When everything is not right, let's say car is not perfect, how do one measure if a driver is delivering 100% or not?

Lick yer finger then stick it in the air - very accurate apparently.
6th July 2010, 18:09
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

How do you measure that? When everything is not right, let's say car is not perfect, how do one measure if a driver is delivering 100% or not? Are we still expecting a driver to be able to win or is a top 8 result ok? Where do we set the limits for 100% delivery?

Attitude and desire.

Results can come and go, but the passion must not.
6th July 2010, 22:54
airshifter

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Attitude and desire.

Results can come and go, but the passion must not.

So if Alonso tosses the car into the wall at Monaco yet fails to bring home a title it's ok if he remains passionate? I don't even think Enzo would agree that performance should take a back seat to passion.

Kimi and Ferrari have one thing in common that Alonso and Ferrari do not. And that is a WDC.

I'm surprised that so called tifosi are using this thread to bash Kimi, or any driver, especially if they bring home a title for Ferrari. I've openly stated that I can only consider myself borderline tifosi, and I really don't think that greatly of Alonso, but I'd still like to see either him or Felipe come back strong and bring the WDC to Ferrari.

Someone please help as my memory isn't so good.... but when was the last year the WDC was won by a Ferrari driver, and what was his name?

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