Dominating Mikkelsen doesn’t seem to like this rally
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Dominating Mikkelsen doesn’t seem to like this rally
So any footage on the internet from the incidents? Couldn't find anything so far.
EvansQuote:
Originally Posted by becher
https://x.com/undercutbox/status/171...C1kV5QC61vX5Xg
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Incredible, with all the tricky places and nasty conditions so far on this rally, that Evans should go off on such an innocuous corner and end his title chances.
I honestly cant see him ever seriously challenging again.
Might be because it was an innocuous corner he was trying to gain time there........ More often than none, competing on such tarmac under those conditions is like driving on the edge of a blade...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Good thing is/was that Evans was giving a fight. Also, seems that he knows his "secure" pace well and with this he is able to collect many points over the season, but so far it has not been enough to be a champion.
Driving on asphalt is sometimes a bit binary. You either have the grip or not and sometimes there is nothing in between.Quote:
Originally Posted by 486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIHSZGK4k6s
Kalle's mistake
Since Ogier is now going part time, theres only one guy who can compete for championship with Kalle. Its Ott Tänak. Evans and Neuville still cant keep it on the road. Others have no speed and are even more prone to offroad excursions. Do you remember when was the last time Tänak’s had an off? I sure cantQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Monte 2022. Almost two years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
I've been away this morning and only now caught up. I have to say, even if I usually don't like the idea that some drivers are lucky, if I compare the two incidents they seem similar, both went a bit too fast and suddenly had no grip. The results are completely different and I'm not sure if it's corect to blame Evans so harshly. If there was a tree or barrier where Rovanpera went off the situation would be totally different. So from my side I think luck played some part today.
Anyway looks like the rally is over in Rally1, there are some things to follow in WRC2 at least.
Evans found a barn, kalle was out without any obstacle in a forest...Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
...and Breen (RIP) found a.... No reason to blame any driver on the odds of the grip... imhoQuote:
Originally Posted by manthey
The conditions are tricky. I wouldn's bet that nothing else happens till the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Sun is shining on SS12.
Small off for Munster.
Is Ogier smelling podioum?
Katsuta destroyed Suninen in this one and got back ahead of him.
Tänak with Katsuta pace but he has no rush either at the moment
Ogier showing what might have been.
Agreed. Tanak in a fast reliable car is probably the only one who can challenge Rovanpera over a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
By pure speed, there is clear top4. Or it is actually pure dominance by Rovanperä, as most of gravel rallies he has huge disadvantage to collect stage wins from first days due to road cleaning.
Ogier has done less rallies, but when he does, he usually has road position advantage.
Stage wins this season:
* 67 Rovanperä
* 32 Ogier
* 31 Neuville
* 29 Tänak
And then comes others:
* 16 Evans (10 of 16 from Rally Finland when Rovanperä, Tänak and Lappi were out already)
* 13 Lappi
* 9 Katsuta
* 6 Sordo
* 1 Suninen
* 1 Loubet
So my point is - like I pointed out previously, Evans is collecting points with "not that risky" driving. Without collecting stage wins that much. Others (Tänak, Neuville, Ogier) could fight with Rovanperä.
Also I don't think Neuville has lost all his opportunities to be a champion, there is still chance.
Tänak having more stage wins than Evans and almost equal with Neuville is surprising
Evans has the "not that risky" driving, but every time he has had the chance to lead the championship or grab the title, he crashed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
So far this year Neuville made 1 mistake that resulted in DNF (Croatia), the same as Kalle (Finland) and less than Evans (Portugal, CER).
The big difference is that Kalle and Evans had 0 serious mechanical problems for the whole year, as they drive a Toyota. If Hyundai was as reliable/robust as Toyota, Neuville would still be in the fight right now, but he's not.
I still think Kalle would take the title as he's the best driver in the best car, but the point is that even if Hyundai will have Ott next year, they won't be able to get the title if propshafts, suspensions, turbo have problems while Toyota is always fine.
it was so weird to see him just give up after losing just 40 seconds at the very beginning. he might have been close to rovanpera at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Let's start from simple things like wipers and window-heaters (the famous "the quality is amazing" stuff)Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
indeed. just look at neuville's stats this year. without technical issues he would have been right up there fighting with rovanpera.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Can't disaagre. Neuville's problems this year: Portugal Turbo failure, Kenya suspension (yes, still DSQ), Greece suspension.. Without this, he would have 40 points more.. Tanak is the same story ofcQuote:
Originally Posted by focus206
These are the most spectacular conditions for spectating an asphalt rally :)
20 seconds slower than in the first run on complete wet...
Tanak looks totally on it here.
SS13 Neuville vs Tänak
Split 1 - Neuville 0.1 sec faster
Split 2 - Tänak 0.1 sec faster
Split 3 - level
Split 4 - level
...
and split 5 Neuville is losing 2.7 to Tänak and at the end Ogier wins the stage with 0.1 sec :)
Great stage from Ott. He said he finally tried a bit more
something happened to Neuville at 5th split.
You could see from the camera mounted behind the crew that he was really pushing.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
The one rain tire overheated is my guessQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
What I would add about Evans is that most of his wins came in some unusual conditions:Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
2017 GB - DMack special tyres which best suited the conditions (but as Loeb said on all live at the time: yes he has good tired but he still has to use them and drive the car)
2020 Sweden - Strange winter rally with no snow and much shortened route (he adapted best to the conditions)
2020 Turkey - puncture lottery
2021 Portugal - rally of attrition
2023 Finland - the other contenders made mistakes or had tech issues
There were a couple which are more straightforward:
2021 Finland - was actually fast if i remember correctly
2023 Croatia - I suppose he benefitted from others punctures and setup problems but I would say he was pretty fast
Otherwise he spends a lot of time between 5th and 2nd, and actually has a lot of 2nd places: 14
I suppose you can say he lacks some speed but is fast enough to put himself in the position to take advantage of others mistakes and he seems to be able to bring it home when he gets a chance. If I was a team manager I would definitely want him in my team, next to one of the fast guys. As for winning a championship, it's more of a long shot, I would not say impossible but I can imagine he would need an unusual whole season, with issues for others and two other contenders taking points from eachother, going off etc.
Fourmaux now in the lead of RC2. He lost even more time than Ogier yesterday on the first stage (1 minute against the top RC2).