They really want to kill the rallysport?
Printable View
They really want to kill the rallysport?
Yes, they want
Tommi must have spent too much time over Christmas in Mahonen sauna, drinking his Kool-Aid...
In a way, you've got to admire that even in successful times for the WRC, prominent figures in this sport are still dreaming up ways in which it can be undermined.
https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-9996617
Kalle Rovanperä probably doing Rally Deutschland, as he may be allowed to drive there. In that case they would skip Tour de Corse.
making it shorter in time seems like a sensible thing. monte is 4 days, with less kilometers per day than on most small local rally's. they could do that on 2 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
but i don't understand what mäkinen is trying to accomplish with shorter rally's. the works teams will still rebuild the car after each rally, and the privateers will still only rebuild it as much as their budget allows them.
Is the standard ERC Format killing the rallysport? No, but those ideas are not much different.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Shakedown and 2 full days of 250 km stages without sometimes 5-6 hours between re runs of stages sounds not too bad. Sunday is mostly boring and useless. If this would enable to add some more rounds, why not.
If they cut the sunday leg, the last loop of saturday will be boring... So then they can shorten it again to 1,5 days... David Richards once said in an interview: "The cost of competing at the top is determined by the teams that invests the biggest amount of money in it, not by the sport itself." I think that's something people from FIA should think about.
Rally Finland was only two days some years ago. also MC rallye with four days is too much for regular viewer (not for me/us who enjoy this sport more then average follower)
He has a point; I don't like days with long breaks and small number of competitive kilometres. In the age of the internet the action can be more focused because it's easier to follow so I wouldn't mind more concentrated rallies - long days with more time spent racing and on proper stages. Also they could keep the endurance aspect by providing only minimal service during a day for example (only tyre change or no more full service at mid day). In the end the sport has to evolve in order to grow and stay relevant, going back to the "old days" when "everything was better" won't solve anything, but what is important is they find a good format that takes the core traits of rally and brings them up to date.
It's probably taken from a Finnish article, where Tommi was asked if he'd be interested in working with Kimi, if he quits F1 after 2018 and wants to WRC another try. Tommi said that sure, but please don't write that Räikkönen is joining TGR just yet (and laughed).Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Or he can ask his engineers to extend the full service interval from 500km to 650km :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Karlip
��
@Karlip1
INTERVIEW - Tänak to @errsport: "(Asked about not wanting to be a 'Forever 2nd driver') Respect to @sebogier, he still is a 5-time world champion and he has to have a priority. I accepted it this year but it can't be like this forever."
Michel V.
@rockollector
At least the difference in Toyota is they have more budget to fit new parts on all the cars maybe, or at least Lat - Tan, but Latvala has made it clear he's the number one in the team. I just hope everyone gets treated equal
@Karlip1
INTERVIEW - Tänak to @errsport: "I'm a bit jealous of Martin Järveoja - he sat into the car and started getting podiums - I wish it came that easy for me! He's the opposite of me - likes to sleep a lot and is very calm - maybe too calm."
INTERVIEW - Tänak to @errsport: "(About the 1-2 driver lineup in @msport this year)When we found upgrades for the car then, because of the budget, the parts were fitted onto Ogier's car first. But - no hard feelings @sebogier!"
NTERVIEW - Tänak to @errsport: "Maybe the criticism (in 2012-2013) was important for me to get back in line with things. (2017) Ogier brought a lot of excitement to @MSportLtd and he stimulated the whole team. His arrival opened up doors locked behind the budget."
Shouldn’t there be a difference between ERC and WRC events?Quote:
Originally Posted by tc10a
250 stage kms in 2 days is 125 kms per day, which is the same we’re getting nowadays on Friday and Saturday WRC legs. Dumping Sunday’s leg will suddenly make events more interesting to follow?
If they want to make exciting 2 day events, they must keep at least 300 to 350 stage kms, increasing each day competitive driving hours; never the opposite. Still, heritage events like MC, GB or ARG (plus NZ) must always be over 2 days and 350 kms.
Anyway, with cars reliability levels rising each day, it’s strange to hear all this nonsense about the need to quit endurance rally spirit (or what is left of it).
It's reasonably well-known within the service park that TMR have have to spend far, far more than expected amounts of money rebuilding their cars after every (gravel) event.
total strip downs, with new floors etc to each chassis.
Combined with the logistical challenge of being based in the middle of nowhere in Finland, it's made it a considerable challenge.
This is Tommi just pushing a self-interested wheelbarrow. Maybe the new Estonian base will help.
although that in itself is proving somewhat of an internal challenge. It's believed to be one of the reasons Lehtinen left the team.
Mainly true.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
M-Sport is even more middle of nowhere, how does Malcolm handle rebuilds?
Homologation joker:
C3 transmission and bodywork
Fiesta transmission x2 and bodywork
Yaris engine (november)
i20 engine
That's from Monte onwards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Homologation was in december so it can be added to MC yes
so Toyota didnt homologate that new front then? sorry im stupid as hell about this topic.
Toyota homologated body work in october. Could be that
Can you tell all homologated parts for all cars made after monte 2017? How many "jokers" teams could have? And how often and when they can do new homologation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Why TMR especially?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
It would seem that the Fiesta stands up better to the rigours of a WRC event, and does not need anywhere near as the level of rebuild that the Yaris does.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Perhaps in a cost-sensitive environment like M-Sport (Mr Wilson did not become as wealthy as he is by giving away money...), this was given a greater emphasis in the design phase of the car, as opposed to the hugely time-sensitive environment of TMR?
then it's tommi's problem.the sport must not be fucked in favor of tommi.
No wonder Makinen is crying about shortening WRC events. LOL. Should've just built a more robust and reliable car, instead of wanting the whole wrc to change to suit his cars limitations
Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
Ott Tänak was chosen Sportsman of the Year 2017 in Estonia. Congratulations!!! :)
https://www.facebook.com/otttanakfan...type=3&theater
https://twitter.com/OttTanak/status/946803203517173767
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSO3ihPWsAIOfj8.jpg:small
about Chile and WRC...
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...uring-wrc-deal
Hmm, I think it might be a good addition - but now 14 events; that close to breaking point regards budgets. (And we know the teams love to complain about cutting costs) And they still won't address the massive bias in favour of gravel....surely Tarmac is more 'Road relevant' for the Manufacturers (sorry to use that dreaded term.)
That Ciesla... He don't need another tarmac rally.. What he think he is god or what. 13 events. 2 tarmac events 2 mixed events and rest gravel and snow. Well I would rather see that there is another tarmac wherever in the world. This is just stupid... Teams will probably send only two cars or not showing at all there of the costs...
He isn't going home any time soon is he? Anyhow, a good mix would be imho, 4 proper tarmac events (maybe 5 seeing Monte isn't what you call a normal tarmac rally), another snow maybe 2 if possible & the rest on gravel.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Many seems to forgot that many countries and continents have no tarmac events, like Finland or Africa. (even less with snow of course but that´s another story...)
Tarmac is mostly middle-south europeans thing and yes some of those are great and suitable for WRC
If we add more tarmac events, those will be in europe, so then we must drop some european gravel events...
Portugal? Never!
Sardinia? Maybe
Finland? Never ever!
Wales? Never!
Turkey? Poland? Acropolis?
Planned China was on tarmac.
New Zealand, Middle-Eeast and Africa will be gravel.
How to make space for those tarmac events?
I´m ready to drop Mexico/Argentina for Chile because those have bad entry, 60 FIA-cars should be minimum (Chile will be under, I know)
Ireland could be a tarmac event, Spain can go back to being a full tarmac event, you know what? you can go to Japan to have tarmac. It's as you said, all about preferences. I agree, I wouldn't remove Portugal, Finland or Wales, but I would remove Turkey & bring in a tarmac event instead & make Spain a full tarmac event once again and vwolla you have 5 events on the black stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
San Remo has also been a full tarmac rally, Portugal has had tarmac stages.
Bring back San Remo for Rally Italy, make Spain a full tarmac event again and locate Rally Japan in those glorious fast flowing mountain passes (meaning tarmac). Job done.
The calender has become awfully samey. The only gravel events that are special are Mexico because of the height, Finland because of the speed and Wales because of the weather.
Then you can argue for at least one event (gravel or asphalt) in South America, one in either NZ or Australia, one in Asia and if it was up to me, one in Africa.
http://www.rallit.fi/ogierilta-muuto...maan-perunaan/ (in Finnish)
Ogier wants to bring back qualifications. He also thinks that things have been taken out of context concerning the short stage issue. He says the long waits in the countryside could be spent at service marketing the sport and he doesn't think the multi-hour breaks within a day are good for the fans.
As i remember, there are previous thread which talking about San Remo. I forget what they said, but it doesn't sounds good (about financial maybe?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
He's not completely wrong. My issue with the current format and central service park is the gap in the middle of the day when nothing happens. 3/4 stages then a huge gap for liaison/ regroup/ tyre service, etc then the same 3/4 stages and a return to service/ parc ferme.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
However, I'm not sure about the marketing the sport at the service park is what is needed. I'd prefer to see the cars in the stages more often.
I hear you Andy but I understant that they want to offer a lot of service park time to the public because that is one of the few things in the nature of the WRC that is more convenient to bring to people close to. In circuit racing the pits are reserved for the rich and famous.
The Autosport article mentioned about Japan, as well as Chile applying for a 2019 WRC Round. Here is a link to an article on Japan's Yomiuri Newspaper website.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/etc/...rom=ytop_main9
I'll let someone try a computer translation of it, however the main points I can decipher are:
1/ There will be a Media Conference this month to announce the detailed plan
2/ Official application will be made this year to host a WRC round in September 2019.
3/ Location may be; in Aichi Prefecture (Toyota City!), in neighbouring Shizuoka Prefecture or even in Fukushima Prefecture