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Yes, Evans and Bertelli with big nose dives at the 40 sec one in SS2 and everyone but Latvala hits the Meeke rock at 7:30 in SS4, Neuville hits the bank. Breen's onboard cuts for a second so can't see how hard the hit is.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
i would say that's a recce mistake. there should have been a "don't cut" in the notesQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
perhaps someone with wrc+ has images of ogier or neuville in the same place. i can hardly believe that that is a normal place to cut.
No rally radio for SSS?
Well this is really nice for a super special.
Mads had "rock in line" but still hit it. It's on the road, not on a cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
No signal they said.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
Nice to hear Ogier and Latvala praising Evans driving, not just say its his road position and tyres.
Ogier did a BIT of road position talk, but it was less than his usual.
Has anyone heard why Hanninen is nearly 5 minutes down today? I've been away and missed a lot, but he's very far down, even given his results so far.
Had lost power in the morning loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirungi okwogera
Ok, so who guessed Evans & Østberg are 1-2 after the first day ?? ;)
Lol that local Fiesta driver :D
that depends on what you define as "the road".Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
i have only seen the onboard of meeke, but it seems to me that that rock or hole or whatever it was, was near the very edge of the road and could easily be avoided.
but its pretty dark, so i might see the situation wrong.
The atmosphere then was hilarious. Alonso's R5 passed by alone, and ten seconds later the Fiesta appeared. Hysterical laughter ensued around the circuit.Quote:
Originally Posted by samWRC
That Latvala-Ogier duel was insane! Latvala almost lost it at the jump and Ogier was on the limit. Plus, that Yaris' anti lag was incredible.
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It was a bad bedrock compression on the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
For sure the tires have been an advantage, but you need to drive the car to, so Evans have done an absolute brilliant job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
He disagreed about Malcolm putting him "down" in an R5 last year, as I said the and as I say now, that was to be his most important year for developing as a driver. Retrospectively, he should thank Malcolm.
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Paddon's gentle roll from 1:30, very unlucky really - just caught a rut on the road.
Too fast there, cut too much, after the bump the car continued straight, couldn't take the next left corner and rolled. If the speed was less probably that wouldn't happen despite the bump. BTW Breen's gearbox issue appeared on the very same place.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Yes he hit it but less seriously than Tanak, he had it in the notes and could avoid it, if you watch Latvala and Sordo they completely avoid it just by driving a bit more left. Somebody understand Finnish to hear anything in notes? (Sordo sound doesnt work)Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
I stand by my yesterdays comment that it's in the end more of a drivers fault than cars fault. Neuvilles car does basically the same thing the Citroens did there, he just a get a little bit more lucky. Blame I20 for it?
EDIT: Btw. Ogier brakes just before that rock and then lifts from the brake just before impact. Coincidence? Seen it in last moment or notes? Meeke brakes into the rock.
Similarly the Day 1 highlights have a different view of Ogier at that bump 40s after start of SS2. I don't understand French but he clearly slows down and adjusts the line just before. Breen and Meeke go almost completely full throttle, similarly with many of the other drivers that had a moment there.
To me on SS2 that's going too fast for the conditions at that particular spot, not cars fault. In SS4 it's both recce mistake (since Ostberg has it) and too agressive line. Though yes the Fords seems to have a "softer" reaction to that than C3 and I20 when they hit it.
so after day 1, we had 2 Hyundai's & 2 Citroen's out of the rally, perhaps Hayden can still get a descent result...let's hope day 2 clears well for the crews.
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solely blaming driver for error is a little harsh. You say 'cut too much', I don't know if you've seen external footage, but from onboard it looks as though kris' car was very much on the road, a cut is where one or more wheels are off the road and on grass verge, or whatever might be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Yes, compressions can be put in notes on recce, but as recce is carried out in different car at lower speed it must be difficult to judge what effect it will have at race pace.
Other drivers have avoided the rock/compression. Østberg even had it in notes.
Read my second sentence. I don't blame the cutting solely either. It is combination of things went wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
The logic of some people on this forum baffles me :p
You shouldn't expect logic on internet forums, its against the rules! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Check out 1:30 on Meeke's SS4. Careful line choice that is.
Sure the off was not 100% driver error. But the amount of apologizing and blaming the car for every problem Meeke has is too damn high.
This is not what we expected but fortunately this rarely happens. Our two cars, on a compression, had a heavy impact on the crankcase protector. We have to look at why we had such a strong impact there because we had not seen that it would be so impacting during the reconnaissance. But it's neither the fault of Kris Meeke nor that of Craig Breen, "said Yves Matton on the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, special envoy of the RTBF in Argentina.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Difficult to tell what's throwing Kris off since there is shade where the impact is from the onboard footage. But from what I've read it's a bump and then Kris is obviously going too fast to handle that bump.
When there is a roll, it's always right to question the driver. Either positioning, speed or both. Kris' roll is unfortunate, but it is avoidable.
It's a rock that hit just under the engine or gearbox in Breen's case, several drivers before Kris hit it and probably pulled it out of the ground even more. Maybe the car has slightly softer suspension or even ran 10mm too low, you will never know. It's just random things.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
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The guy running after Meeke having that "exposed" rock even more is now leading the rally and most likely win it. Logic?
I thought it was solely driver error, until I saw the footage; car hits a bump/ rock, and is launched.....and off. Would you really notice such things whilst making notes on the recce? Much slower, and a different car. Citroen obviously still have a serious handling issue, that hasn't been sorted yet.
General question. Where we can watch good split times except wrc.com/wrc+?
Meeke’s car fixed in 29 seconds.:)
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Yes a combination of things, including the car and including the driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Was the car set to low, is there a fundamental problem with the Citroen and bumps, was Kris going quicker than anyone else on that corner, who knows. What I would say is there wasn't really anything wrong with Kris' line. If Kris was going slower then yes, he probably wouldn't have rolled.
Have you ever hit a pothole in the road and got a blowout? May have been nothing wrong with your road positioning and speed, and if you hit it at a slower speed it may not end up with a blowout, either way would you say it was your fault, or just bad luck?
Seriously? Meeke was still on the road when Evans came by, lucky he didn't end up with a front right puncture since he was a bit more to the left when he hit it at slow speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv