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See you saturday and sunday fellow rally friends! Sorry for not making a large enough offering to the rally weather gods this year!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122741 Rally Sweden & it's future...
Reading that autosport article and seeing some pictures from twitter i think we wont find out till friday if the rally 100% goes or not.
Sure give the winter rally to Rovaniemi and let Rally Sweden have Finland's summer spot. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
I think RS is in a difficult situation, move it too far north, while there might be enough snow there might not be a sufficient population/sponsor basis.
You could compromise and move it to central Dalarna like Mora-Leksand-Falun which is very lovely (scenic area) but that area isn't particular
more snow safe then the Hagfors region, although this year's lack of snow is a bit "extreme", so in that case they could just as well stay where they are now.
OT: Is David Evans interviewing himself in that article? Are we came at this point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
i think this form is easier for someone to read it than read a really big article.i like it!!
The rally used to go up to Falun area, so I have always wondered why they won't move it up there. There should be enough hotels and surely is a bit more snowsafeQuote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Moving it north is a no-brainer. However, who will fund/ sponsor the event? You think of Sweden as a 'rally country' but if they struggle to make any profit from their WRC event , why carry on with it? It would be a great shame to lose Sweden, but the WRC should always have a winter round! I hope I'm wrong, but I think Sweden is on borrowed time as a WRC event.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Are Canada, Russia, USA, etc interested in a winter WRC event?
Well, last week there was an article that Canada and Japan are interested.
The thing is that it isn't that (enough) much more snow safe then the Hagfors area, they don't have any snow today either so that wouldn't have a made a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
There are plenty of hotels in the area, especially in Tällberg which have several larger hotels and bunch of smaller ones.
Move it north? Where? Sweden is not a motorsport friendly country, quite the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
The issue with the moving it north to somewhere very snow safe is that it likely have a lot less population, basically
where there are allot of snow, there aren't that many people living.
Östersund is in Jämtland province, about 110'000 people live there + 200'000 in Trodnheim. So you've got about 300'000 people
compared to 100'000 in Karlstad alone+ 200'000 in the rest of Värmland + 1.7 million in Oslo metropolitan area + 500-600'000 in Akershus county.
Then within the same distance (or very close) as between Trondheim and Östersund, you also have Västmanland (1/4 million),
Södermanland (300K) and Dalarna (300K).
You do the math but the difference in the population basis itself is very large.
Is there any video of point 1 SS Rojden according to rally magazine, there at farmhouses?
So where does the "snow-safe" area start in Sweden? Is there sufficient snow in, say, Östersund? And would it be a viable place for holding a WRC rally there?Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
An iconic event is already out(Acropolis).If a second classic event leave the calendar this means the true decompostion of the wrc.
Safari, Sanremo, RAC, Acropolis... people used to say the same many times in the past yet nothing happened except some people dropping a tear.
Somewhere in western Russia would be good.. there must be somewhere in that huge area that is suitable (with sure snow, forest & large towns nearby)...
Global warming makes many places less snow-certain, but I don't think Russia is one.
Have you been to Russia? I have, not going back :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
1. I don't think there is specific "line" or so but take a look at this map and you'll get a rough idea; http://www.smhi.se/klimatdata/meteor...sobservationerQuote:
Originally Posted by jens
Have in mind that last winter, there was problems with lack of snow in Östersund as well.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/...tar-arctic-cat
http://www.op.se/jamtland/ostersund/...llet-for-medar
http://www.op.se/jamtland/are/snobrist-i-fjallen
So it's seems not even Östersund is safe.
2. I don't know (see my previous post). They have an annual round of the Swedish championship but I
think it is a big step to go from a one day event with 7 SS to a three day event with 20+ SS.
The "snow line" also has a lot to do with altitude. There are places in Scandinavia, in Norway especially, where there is a close to 100% guarantee of snow, and they are no more north than where the Swedish rally is orgianized now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Well you could always bring it to NZ and run it down in the South Island up and around the roads of the Snow Farm at Cardrona and the roading network of some of the neighbouring high country stations.
Plenty of accommodation at Queenstown.
NZ winter is european summer (which is full of rallies) but you made your point.
Off topic, but this is rally Russian style :D (actually it's worth watching with some spectacular power slide into a water splash ;) )Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSQBXDYVebw
Also thats what happens if you try to drift a tank :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
https://youtu.be/qnSoxqLHbD8?t=1m50s
Yeah, I know this one but it was actually Kuwaiti crew, not Russian ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Why ? MafiaQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Weather forcats is still good, today is the last day for plus degrees and not everywhere. Latest models are predicting light snowfall tonight and there might be proper snowstorm during the rally. So, those who plan many stages, be careful, roads might be slower than you expect. Temperature on Friday stages drops to -3..-4 in next 18 hours and night befoe the stages, it should drop to -5.. -6 degrees, that is more than enough to make it solid as rock. If the model predicted snowstorm arrives, then top runners will be in major trouble.
Honestly bluuford you are the only source I truly trust concerning weather predictions.
Everybody calm down, bluuford says it's gonna be fine so it's gonna be fine!
Estonians are ready!!!
Ready for @RallySweden with @OttTanak ,@SanderPrn and @DMACK_Tyres . See you all on stages. Omadele pöialt hoidma :)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CazPNZLW8AAjN2M.jpg
Latest forecasts says cold but snowless.
Looks like Wales in Colin Clark's Periscope video...
you can always watch the sunset if you want romantic moments, the WRC is about spectacle, if iconic events cannot evolve they should burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Surely frozen mud and gravel will be different to drive on with studs than on ice ?
Many times I have wished an edition of WRC Finland covered with snow. Like in 1990, it looks like Ullr has switched things...
I hope what has happened this year will mean that this event will go northern once and for all.
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...79&oe=573050F3
Sorry, but this conditions looks terrible. Wonder how they will look after 1st loop...
Ok, Powerstage looks even better :)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca2AuqZW8AA5fNn.jpg:large
Conditions will be very tricky indeed. Tonight everything freezes, and tomorrow night it will be even colder, so, nothing bad happens with the roads (do not panic with that) but for the studded tyres, it will be a challange. Those places where they have small ruts from today, those ruts are going to freeze, this will add additional interest, imagine when the ruts are not in ideal line and you are crossing them in angle? Even better when they are under very thin snow layer, which is likely. Snowfall is crossing the area from the east and north east and it is not yet know how far it reaches, if it reaches to the stages then there will be like snowstorm.
By the way, where is the stage on that picture?
I second this... you couldn't do those roads with Dakar suspension travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
So far it looks like Pirelli will have considerable advantage.
Off topic again... but Dakar 4WD have a lot smaller suspension travel than WRC cars because of their rules ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Also this is true... My parents has loads of snow over night... and they live in southern sweden (close to Värnamo).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Here's a video from today on värmullsåsen :(
I was happy when my mom said it was snowing at their place... now I am not so happy anymore.
http://iconosquare.com/p/1181846458438327745_261829422
Really? Had no idea... they seem to move around so much in their body work. You learn something new every day!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek