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The second stage ends prematurely for us ... We are forced to give in SS9 for mechanical cause. We are really disappointed ... We were brought up to the 3rd place after signing a WRC2 Scratch time in our class before giving up. We hope to start in Rally 2 tomorrow to continue our learning!
Every WRC driver except Ogier should be spectators for at least one rally, and see for them selves how different his lines is compared to the others. This is just... Mrphhhh....!
Meek of in the first corner. (He is the most charismatic guy in the whole of WRC, he is smart, he can be brilliant, but oh how he f**cks up.)
Mads out of it. (Set up problems on the first loop again (and probably som technical problems), he must learn to lower his treshold on the set up from test to the rally proper.)
Mikkelsen with his normal outer rear end misshap. (The dire combination of non optimal pace notes and a hack for late braking is dangerous for the outer rear wheel. He can drive the most perfect lines when on it, but he is easy of it. This is a guy that could easily challenge Ogier on every rally if he got his shit togehter. He is a huge talent.)
Latvala with his usual outside rear puncture. (Hmmm... Well, at least he is trying. The best wheel man in the whole of the WRC, but oh so high risk. A small adjustment on his exits would scare the shit out of Ogier, but who will tell him?)
Sordo... (Well, he is fast when his car is "to understeered" and slow when his car is perfect. Maybe he should start taking notice? If he suddenly unlocks the mystery of why he as a tarmac specialist is so fast on the loose stuff, he could be a steady top performer. But thats not likely to happen.)
Kubica... (Well. Well. His WRC rallying has to be one of the longest ongoing and most public suicide attempts in modern history.)
Neuville on and off... (Finland 2013. I was sure we had a new challenger. Damn sure. But Nose End First-Professor Olav Bodilsen said that, although Neuville was fast, and driving proper Nose End First lines, he had seen some things that made him believe that Neuville was not conscious of how and why. Well, that turned out to be the truth. Now clearly outperformed by Paddon, AND Sordo. Well whats the secret: On low grip surfaces You try to hard Neuville.)
Haydon Paddon has shone a light on the WRC during this rally, hope he keeps it up. He represents a hope hanging on by a shoe string, that the master Ogier can be challenged.
So what should the drivers learn from this:
Lesson 1) If You try to go as fast or faster that Ogier by turning in earlier, and/or going on the throttle earlier in a combination with an earlier turn in, than Ogier: You will be punished.
And how do we stop this French dominance?
We outlaw the Auto de Junes. When only one country in the world do a proper talent scout job within motorsport, and back the winners all the way to the WRC, only one country can become World Champions.
I believe Rallye Jeunes is gone now, or at least Citroen has stopped supporting it. I could be wrong though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Ogier may talk too much about this and that, but at the end of the day he is doing his perfect job after all. No matter how fast he has been. Other drivers probably should not pay too much attention about his talks and do their job in the best possible way they could. Paddon did that excellent today....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
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Originally Posted by Lundefaret
All good points Lundefaret. I'm not sure if I can see/analyze driving style in as much detail but it sounds about right from what I do see.
I disagree with Rallye Jeunes FFSA needing to be banned - I would rather other countries did a "proper talent scout job". Motorsport (not just rally) has for a long time always been based on money/access to money/family name, and for a long time that was enough for success, and even if only one country is investing in getting talent from a larger pool of people than the moneyed classes, it means an improvement in the overall quality of drivers. I'd rather see one country with a semi-meritocracy in motorsport than no countries. If that means French WRC champions for a while then I can live with that.
Speaking of that - Paddon is showing that a guy without much money (and therefore without much consistent training, time to test, etc.) can excel even from outside France. I'm really impressed by his pace, obviously in the morning with the sweeping advantage, but in holding it consistently when he wasn't the only person benefiting from roadcleaning, and indeed holding it through the afternoon when he didn't have much advantage. That seems like less of a fluke than a newcomer randomly winning the occasional stage.
While it felt to me that it was sooner than I thought he would perform so well (and more sudden, not much buildup) I think it is no coincidence that his (basically) one-year anniversary in a WRC car is showing him to jump from 7-8th positions to higher contention - this is an established pattern with frontrunners who don't have the advantage of five year plans. We shall see though.
totally agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
I remember in Paddon's NZ national rally days, he'd sometimes say at a midday stop "we decided not to get splits or find out even where we were in the standings" - always when he had built up a huge lead and demolished the rest of the field. Maybe he's trying that technique again?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
no splits allowed this year in the car for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirungi okwogera
Exactly! May play to his advantage given he seems to like to drive that way. I guess the stage-end interviews would've blown the secret that he was leading though, even if his co-driver kept quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
no splits were allowed since the start of the season nor just for this event....
i dont want to see lundfaret's posts,is it possible????????i am tired with nose end first technique analysis and what his teacher-authority(Nose End First-Professor Olav Bodilsen) says.ΟΧΙ ΑΛΛΟ ΚΑΡΒΟΥΝΟ
It's not just about You see splits or not, it is the whole package of a driver approaching his own rally. But my comment anyway was mostly the disappointment of some other challengers, namely Meeke and Neuville. I don't know what the problem with Neuville was today though. Mikkelsen was also little trying too hard and had another suspension damage, he has enough experience with this rally so it is pure driving error. Probably Latvala's mistake was not so big, but lost some precious seconds, it is a pity, I was expecting good fight tomorrow with Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirungi okwogera
i like his posts for example today we learned that paddon was more nose end first than anyone, a technique that he did not use in portugal, Ogier tomorrow will be more nose end first though and maybe latvala will also follow with a bit more nose end first and they will fight. and as usual the most nose end first wins... i wish i was a bit more nose end first then i could be champions of everythings.
yeah - obviously I am not claiming he's only driving well because of that - his car's had an upgrade too, and who knows what other factors, but I was responding to the quote saying the other drivers need to focus on driving and ignore Ogier's constant stream of dramatic talk while undramatically beating everyone. I only mean I expect Paddon might be good at this.
nafpaktos I'm pretty sure that's easy, but even easier than finding out how to ignore somebody on a forum is to actually just ignore them with your brain and not read them.
Ι am sorry,i have only one like for each post. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Curb your enthusiasm with Paddon. He showed great stuff today and I'm very happy for it, but a good rally happens to everyone. The day before yesterday he was lying in 7th-8th positions.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm very happy to see a guy with so little experience leading a rally, but before referring to him as a possible Ogier-beater we will have to wait.
I'm pretty sure the posts about Paddon tomorrow night will be different than today.
Hei stefan! Nice to read you again, I was a bit worried because you didn't post lately :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
No one said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
someone has to tell Paddon to be as nose first as he was today and then everything is easy...Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Didn't read the whole thread but I didn't see anybody say that Paddon could challenge Ogier - I think there's excitement whenever someone new leads. He's performing above expectations of 7th-8th, which means it looks like he's still got room for improvement, unlike, say, almost every driver on the top level.
Paddon is still learning. Too early for any challenge. Only time will tell...
The onboard's on WRC+ won't work on my phone. Is anyone else experiencing problems?
Anyone know where to watch Day 1 highlights? People upload them on the motorsport torrent sites although 4GB is excessive, online streaming link anyone knows of?
WRCfan
WRCfan, you cheap and can't buy a season pass of WRCPlus?!
Also, only two stages this weekend are LIVE. Isolated island and SIT having timing issues...
No because I don't want to sit up at crazy hours watching 'live' WRC. Also I torrent it for nothing, today's urgency is I want to see Paddon. Any other rally I am happy to wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
To Kirungi Okwogera, the suggestion of banning the Autos de Junes was a joke :) I STRONGLY support Your point regarding that these kind of talent competitions should be present in more countries!Quote:
Originally Posted by kirungi okwogera
Loeb and Ogier and the total French domination for the last 10 years has proved that talent wins over money (off course it has to be talent in combination with money, opportunity, and dedication.)
The "problem" for Ogiers competitors is that Rally is off course highly professional from the technical side - but an amateur sport regarding the athletes.
I do not mean that the atlethes them selves are at fault, only that there has been an extreme focus on the technical side, and almost no focus on the athletes, except having them physically fit.
Lets say You where an investor, and that You just bought a Premier League Soccer team.
And lets say You immediately started practicing the same strategy as is common in the WRC.
And lets say You had 100 million pounds to spend in one season.
This is what You would do:
- You would use 99.5 millions developing the shoes, the shirts and the shorts.
- You would only arrange 10-14 practice sessions a year.
- Those practice sessions would be 80-90% about the performance of the shoes, the shirts and the shorts.
- The athletes input would only be about how the shoes, the shirts and the shorts could be changed to work better for the individual soccer player.
- The trainers would be engineers.
- The trainers would only be present during the practice and the games.
- You would play 12-14 matches a year.
- The only thing You would demand of Your soccer players is that the should use some of their free time staying in shape.
- You would take Your team around the world on marketing events, taking up almost as much time as the soccer playing.
So, now You have soccer players with specially made shoes, shirts and shorts worth 400.000 pounds EACH, that practice 10-12 times a Year, and plays 10-14 matches, have engineers for trainers, do A LOT of PR work, and keep fit.
How well do You think they would perform in the Premier League?
That is quite extreme comparison Lundefaret, football and rally have nothing in common from technical point of view and the teams hardly spend 99.5% of their budget for developing the cars. Also I don't agree teams don't invest in their driver development, I'm taking VW as example though, Latvala has personal mental trainer assigned by the team, Mikkelsen has been guided sometimes also when mistakes happen too many (ref. Mexico last year).
Ok but there is still too much excitement.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
That gold-coloured air intake... omg, like some Mexican mafia.
Paddon still leads after 2 stages today.. Great job !
All new Fiestas have one just like that, quite interesting to find out why they made them that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
You can watch WRC+ daily highlights anytime you'd like, you don't have to see it 'live' or anything. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
Really? Than it's probably kind of heat shielding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Andreas stopped
Is monte di ala' a very rough stage? RRCs seem to have an advantage over R5 today?