Also trying to rank the current crop of drivers in terms of what they've won is pretty futile given that most came up against a brick wall of Loeb, and if not him, the chronic lack of factory seats.
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Also trying to rank the current crop of drivers in terms of what they've won is pretty futile given that most came up against a brick wall of Loeb, and if not him, the chronic lack of factory seats.
+1 Simmi.
The curent discussion about Paddon is ridicoulus, more from some and less from some guys, but still it´s a none subject until we have a subject to discuss: Paddon having done half season at least.
Could we separate all the Hayden Paddon posts into a dedicated thread?
There is new thread for Hayden now. leave news and rumors for news and rumorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Like I wrote on that new thread, does it have a sense to have special thread for one driver? Especially when I think that there is lot of words about him now when he joined Hyundai, but is na future...
Who will be selling the cars for Hyundai?
Sordo? Yes in Spain and Spanish speaking countries.
Neuville? Yes in Belgium and other places.
Atkinson? Yes in Australia - a HUGE market for the brand. And they sell so much so marketing will work and get the sport known!
Paddon? You bet, for NZ!
Hanninen? Finland? I would presume so!
Hyundai are here in the WRC to sell cars, and to get their car in top competition.
Msport are in the game to make money building cars.
VW - same as Hyundai - to sell cars!
Citroen.... Well now they have the WTCC, China , India and Europe are their markets but China is very important! For the WRC, yeh.. Well they'll sell but it won't have an impact like Loeb had or even Solberg!
thank you for the insight... I thought that teams are getting into motorsport because they love it...Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Carlos Sainz on Rally Islas Canarias with Skoda Fabia WRC
http://www.carlos-sainz.com/noticia.php?id=2127
Yes, car of Wevers Sport.
Well yes, this is true as well. You are one smart man!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
The MG WRC thing won't happen, and if it does it will be a pathetic attempt. From this article is seems that the manufacturer aren't even interested, so it will be Mini WRC all over again but much, much worse!
The main initiator and investor of the project is Ukrainean driver Alex Tamrazov. As You know almost whole Ukraine is now in a state of anarchy so it's well possible Alex has different problems now. As far as I know he is now on Crimea.
Meanwhile (before the things in Ukraine got crazy) he said he is considering to put his money in support of already planned Renault R5 car instead.
By the way not so long time a go he put this livery on his car...
http://fotos.miarroba.es/fo/aa66/305...2E4FF7234E.jpg
Oleksii is a great dude. He is always very positive with good sense of humour. I do not know why PG could not work with him Some personalities do not match. Tamrazov has investments all over in Europe, including some in Estonia.
It would be interesting to know who is backing this MG project. I am not sure how it could be worse than Mini in the wrc, but if they can do anything it would bring some attention to the brand again.
It would indeed be interesting to know why PG could not work with him and what is PG doing now anyway?
Seems more like they have only recently been contacted, and have not discussed it in-depth. The car exists; it just needs MG's support. I'd say the plan is to do all the testing and development on their own, with MG putting their name to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
we all know Hyundai will have a new car next year but what about the other teams, will there be any changes?
What car are You speaking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
MG in the WRC….the alarm bells are ringing. Sounds like a private project – hoping to get MG to homologate it.
No thanks!!
Please do it properly – with finance & resources. Otherwise don’t bother. You can’t do the WRC on the cheap. Haven’t the lessons of Suzuki and BMW-MINI been learnt?
Oleksii told me he has big partners behind him and ready to step in, they're just waiting a green light from MG. It's all in place. I noticed quite big differences with worst-ever business plan made by Prodrive. Anyone remembering how bad and unprofessional was it? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
If you wanna start a project, you should have already money in place, not hoping to gather all necessary when car is already homologated and championship starting in less than a month... :rolleyes:
True, Prodrive failed this project on their own. Hopes and dreams is not the way to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
The Mini project wasn't that bad or unprofessional. Ok, Prodrive was unable to get sponsors (maybe believing that BMW could be as generous as Subaru was in their time) but at least has manage to build a car with technical potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
It'd be great to see Mr.Tamrazov undertake his WRC project with MG or any other brand, but it'd also be nice to know who are is technical partners.
Prodrive was doing this project MAINLY for digging money from BMW...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Let me say this "fisherman" approach, with a brand-new WRC car as "lure" and hoping to get on board some fresh cash from BMW, yeah, that was very unprofessional. That's not a good example to plan a big investment over some years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
One would like to see MG driving this project – as opposed to a guy with financial backing; hoping they’ll agree. Not a good start in my book.
Prodrive's recent history has been littered with complete disasters left, right and centre. They mismanaged the Mini project, but they have done worse - they tried to enter Formula 1 in 2008, but their bid hinged on controversial rule changes that needed the unanimous approval of the existing teams, who predictably disagreed with them. And then there was the Aston Martin AMR-One, an LMP1 prototype that looked like a submarine, handed like a submarine, and was so slow that they might have been better off trying to race a submarine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
This shows that doing both racing and rally at the top FIS level is a hard exercise within one organisation, that need to earn money to survive!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodrive
Once is an accident, and twice is coincidence, but three times is a pattern. Prodrive tried to enter Formula 1 and failed, built a car for Me Mans that was embarrassingly inept, and blew the Mini project through mismanagement. It's one thing to fall short of the financial hurdle, and taken individually, you could reasonably write any one of these three episodes off as Prodrive trying to bite off more than they could chew. But when they have three major projects that end in three spectacular failures, serious questions have to be asked about the way the company is being run.
Don´t apply this on Huyndai - yet... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
Looks good for latvala so far...
no splits for Ogier again.
yes but there is a very long way to go.
There is a story today in www.MotorsportMonday.com about Hankook's reasons for coming into the World Championship, hinting that they are looking for a team to work with, to get experience of the WRC. Does anyone know who they are considering? The story says they plan to start in Portugal. The story also says that the Monte Carlo entry for Gamba was a happy misunderstanding!
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes...ook/index.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by semsem
If it will be Aaron Burkart, should not be with a WRC car. Motorsport Monday article talks in preference of WRC-2 car. In addition, there are 15 WRC cars entered in the Rally of Portugal and Burkart isn't one of them.
Is Burkart entered in Portugal at all?
And also, is Chardonnet entered in the promised Citroen R5?
...And when do entries close?
Already closed...They will be announced in 2 days!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Fredik Ĺhlin will drive Portugal WRC in the WRC-2 class, He will drive a Dmack sponsored Ford Fiesta R5 for CA1 Sport team.
http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/ahlin-klar-ny-vmstart
Autosport report that Toyota started testing their WRCar, but that it probably won't debut until 2016. Or 2017 when the "new rules" come. What are these new rules?