For ERC???Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
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For ERC???Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Yes, they are already too complicate!Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Kubica and Tanak were very close to signing for ERC with M-Sport about one month ago. It is question how actual is the situation now...
Just seen on Twitter; Ireland is out, replaced by Canarias.....
Think that's a mistake.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldsonGeorge
Sibiu Rally is in the ERC 2013.
I don't mind the Canarias event, nice scenery and it always produced close fights, but it is a shame to see Ireland out.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
It is confirmed, Canary in, Ireland out - Autosport
Tomorrow finally official calendar, and hopefully with no changes..
Another super expensive event in the calendar. Have they lost their minds???Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
This is question if for normal European teams is more expensive Canarias or Ireland...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Gran Canaria deserves it
Yeahhhhhh
They moaned and winged enough so they got their way!!! I'm gutted I was counting the days to the circuit but what can ya do Europe seems to **** on us here in Ireland this is just another kick in the balls!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by "
Yes.Mainly, nice scenery.Besides short diferences beetwen top drivers.RegardsQuote:
Originally Posted by RS
Canarias in the ERC will be an equivalent rally to Catalunya in the WRC: a tarmac rally, nothing else.
We are loosing again a unique event in one of the two highest steps of rallying. I'll keep the Circuit of Ireland's highlights of last year like a golden treasure, as I do with WRC Rally of Ireland 2007 & 2009.
There are shadowy and dubious interests behind this decision...
Nothing against the rally but I think the Canaries are closer to Africa than to Europe.
OK most probably some will say that this rally has it's long history into the ERC but if you look at it on the map in this financial situation it's a nightmare for the smaller teams's budgets.
Who needs so expensive rallies ?
The money interests are completely destroying the rally-sport.
The new FIA ERC website should start working today.
Gran Canaria was (and I think its still) a famous Rally. I was there many times, but as I wrote in past, its not necessary to have expensive Rallies like Acores, Canaria or Madeira in ERC Calendar where Organizer hope to have many private teams from whole europe. Madeira is out, but maybe 2014 In again, so ... Ireland ... yes, maybe same expensive but not so far away and its possible to go from central europe by car and ship in 2 days. I made Manx Rally in 90ies from Austria by car in 24 hours.
Website coming soon - FIA European Rally Championship ... now online.
I've just read a Polish article, that is based on the news from Autosport, saying that M-Sport Ford Fiesta RRC in ERC is the most possible option for Kubica. However, nothing has been signed yet.
Autosport: Kubica b
The official website is active now.
No other information except the calendar.
Website coming soon - FIA European Rally Championship
I don't understand why always some people try to find some über conspiracy or shadow interests behind everything. Most likely organization of CoI just didn't find budget to be part of the series or didn't agree to Eurosport conditions and therefore their event was replaced. Hardly it's something else and in no way it has anything to do with some ****ting on the Irish from mainland Europe. That's just ridiculous.
I have just had a closer look at the calendar. And I'm very disappointed. The championship is not expensive enough! 13 events and only 3 on far islands? Don't you think that to Canaries, Acores and Corsika also Madeira, Manx Rally, Rally Faroe Islands and something in Iceland should be added? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Georgi
Correct:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Ireland loses European Rally Championship place to Canaries - IRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
Like I said before Eurosport is not a charity. For sure they want the most attractive and balanced calendar but it has to be paid for. What I find a greater shame is that often some of the better events and better drivers are the ones who struggle to find any funding.
There is a TV Schedule published for 1st race - Jänner Rallye:
Friday 4 January 2013
Highlights Day One: 22:45hrs-23:15hrs (Eurosport2)
Highlights Day One: 24:00hrs-24:30hrs (Eurosport)
Saturday 5 January 2013
Highlights Day One: 07:00hrs-07:30hrs (Eurosport2)
Highlights Day One: 08:45hrs-09h15 (Eurosport)
Rally Review: 23:30hrs-24:00hrs (Eurosport)
Sunday 6 January 2013
Rally Review: 07:00hrs-07:30hrs (Eurosport2)
Tuesday 8 January 2013
Inside ERC: 23:45hrs-24:15hrs (Eurosport)
Nothing special. Leg 1 review approx 20 minutes, Leg 2 review approx 20 minutes. Thats it.
I know I was just really disappointed last night, still am but what can ya do that's lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by "
There's no Leg 2 review, it's "Rally review" which means 5 to 10 minutes repeat of Day 1 shots. So in raw calculation, without ads and interviews with common talks, for the whole event we get 30 minutes of action (only the top 4-5 cars + leader of 2wd + coupla spectacular crashes) for 300 000 euro - 10 000 euros per minute :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by werner
So, no ERC round in the British Isles, fortunately I can get to Ypres easier and cheaper than I could N I. No wonder Brits don't feel European - such occurrences can only reinforce our sense of apartness. On a bright note the 2014 Tour de France starts in the well-known department of Yorkshire, "eeee Sacray blurrr, lad!"
I was hoping and expecting that the new ERC would get live coverage of it’s opening round. So, the ERC will be another mix & match series regarding coverage? The Live IRC rounds were very good – the others weren’t. I hoped that this new better improved ERC would have the same coverage for each round – as that is what it really needs.
Ha ha...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
You actually raise a good issue. Both Rally Scotland and Circuit of Ireland have been dropped due to lack of financial backing . That is surely down to the sport, and it’s ‘unattractiveness’. Whereas, Welcome to Yorkshire have thought it good value to pay for the Grand Depart – as the Tour de France dwarfs anything in Rallying. As a fan of both sports it does make sense.
How long before Wales decides to bid for a cycle race – and it has been rumoured – and drops the backing of RallyGB??
The main probelm is that this calendar is just too expensive. There is no need for two rallies on far islands (one, if any, is enough). And the total number of events is too high, it should be something like 8 or max 10 events.
Someone is doing business and the sport is on the second place.
I just hope 2 or 3 real drivers will do the whole serie without just collecting points (like Tlustak).
In my opinion its going the right way. This year in IRC there were seven island events, now we have three in the new ERC. Doesn't matter if we go to Ireland or Canarias, island is island. 50% of the transport costs is covered by the organizers and accomodation is for sure cheaper on Canarias as on Ireland, so I don't see your point. Both events are quite unique, its bad for Ireland to be out, but Canarias is a worthy replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Don't forget the G8 shindig is coming to Northern Ireland so the public pot will be a tad on the empty side.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Be cheaper if Obama, Putin and co just used Skype..........
If we continue to increase the costs without any control this sport will continue to die, like it does today. Rallysport has to be cheaper for competitors and organizers and more accessible to spectators. Countries like Ireland and Scotland cannot afford to host European Championship (and they are not poor countries), and you are happy about it? How come?Quote:
Originally Posted by pucky54
Increase is defined as to make something greater, as in number, size, strength, or quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
We shall be fair. Number of events is same with IRC 2012, number of island events was largely reduced. Two regional championship were joined in one. That in no way can be interpreted as increase.
We must all consider that since two major championships were joined in one there were plenty of events to make the championship from. You can't just fire 3/4 of them. Even 1/2 is painful as You can see in case of Madeira and others. Complaints that there are so many events just because Eurosport wants money from them simply isn't valid in situation when there are so many wealthy enough events that some must be rejected.
I'm of course also not happy with 13 events in the calendar but let's see in the future. The first step in transition from two series to one was done and that's sure good for the sport. The others which will follow are yet unclear. Let's give them a chance.
Craig Breen has become an early contender for FIA European Rally Championship glory in 2013 after he was linked to a programme with Saintéloc Team Mister-Auto.
Breen took part on several events with the French squad in 2012 driving a Peugeot 207 Super 2000. He impressed the team with a number of strong results.
“I’m talking to a few people and everything is still possible,” Breen told the British newspaper Motorsport News. “But a programme with Peugeot Sport and Saintéloc is looking most likely now. We’re looking at starting the season in a 207 and then maybe moving to the 208 [R5] when it’s ready.”
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Originally Posted by Mirek
I haven't said that there were shadow interests gratuitously.
Luis Monzon, Director and Head of Sport Competition Canary and promoter of the Rally Islas Canarias, said in an interview (see the video below, recorded before yesterday's announcement) that Carlos Gracia, president of the Spanish Automobile Federation and vice-president of the FIA, put pressure on the FIA during the Gala in Istanbul last week.
Carlos Gracia has been president of the Spanish Federation since 1984, being re-elected six times (sometimes he was the only candidate, as it happened in 2008). Many people in Spain are fed up with him, so this year a strong candidate will take part in the elections. To fight against him, it was even said Canarias will only join the ERC if Carlos Gracia is re-elected the day after tomorrow. Now, it's obvious that he has won enough votes to be re-elected for the seventh time. This is a masterstroke.
I hadn't read anything about the lack of financial backing of the Circuit of Ireland when I posted on the previous page. Now the Canarias organisers will pay 50 per cent of the logistical costs for teams' trip, though it will remain more expensive than go to Ireland. Initially, this rally refused to pay the money increase of almost the 30% between the IRC and the new ERC. I don't know if they are going to pay it now.
If all this stuff isn't obscure I don't know anything that it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gylJK5xSNFY
Thank You. Though I still believe the main reason is that CoI organizers didn't find sponsors to run the event like they already officially claimed.
Mirek, you know that I like you :) But this time I have to "offend" you - you speak like a typical politician :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
We shall be fair. Numbers are brutal for you: ERC 2012 consisted of 11 events. ERC 2013 will consist of 13 events. Is that not an increase? Is 13 not greater than 11???
If you were a politician, I wouldn't vote for you ;)
Well Jarek Z... Actually it should have been 12 but Antibes dropped from the calendar. Regarding that the ERC replaces the IRC now and it doesn't have more events than the IRC had, it's not an increase... :)