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They can keep Russell, but yeah :mad: . Coffs Harbour is the biggest waste of a calendar slot in the entire championship. Last time around they said the roads are bit like NZ... Might as well just have a rally in NZ then!!! If the teams are going to come right across the other side of the world, surely they can take one more step and come to some of the best roads in the world!!!! It's not rocket science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyoda
I wouldn't be against swap Finland and NZ...
I agree with having more tarmac based events too. I think the WRC need to get out of Europe more though, have more of a diversity. I know it makes things more complicated and harder to organise. But hey ho! 13 events seems too much, 10 would be better, allowing a rest period.
I disagree with everything :)
Sardinia and Greece in the same time would be a big loss. Two spectacular gravel rally. Tarmac is not realy spectacular with this cars if the stage dry and clean as usually. We want live stages and promotion but average Joe see that cars ar cruising on tarmac without any sliding etc...
Tarmac is spectacular, you just need to find the right places. And the WRC TV location manager (who is the same for years, don't think it changed because the promotor changed) doesn't seem to find the right places. On gravel there are also many extraordinary places who never make it to TV footage, the only difference is that gravel is nice(r) everywhere... The huge amount of spectacular youtube videos proves my point. ;)
I hope that the WRC will go next year to the Polish.
In 2009, they were all very happy. A lot of fans on the route from many countries created a memorable atmosphere :)
i hope they bring back Japan, Corisca( after all Loeb won't be competing after this year) and Ireland..one more thing, if they continue with Rally Australia put it back where it belongs-to Perth!!!
Maybe the FiA should tell the various countries were they hold their event....... So if Australia want a WRC event, it has to be in Perth. Similarly, France must use Corsica, GB the centre of the country, etc However, I doubt they have the power to make this happen.
Personally, I want a more even split of gravel/ tarmac - dry, dusty gravel events are all the same. Get rid of a few of them. Manufacturers are in it to sell more road cars - to be used mainly on tarmac......
I would love to see mixed events, but in the meaning of really mixed. Make Portugal or Catalunya half gravel, half tarmac, but not splitted up in days, let one stage be half-half, like Cyprus (IRC) was... Tarmac with gravel setup can be so spectacular, it's unbelievable... :)
i would bring back cyprus as a mixed event, and and also it could be nice to add some tarmac to Japan, by the way, does anyone know why they are not bringing back Rally Japan,Norway,New-Zealand???
Because we can't have a 30-events calendar... you would bring back everything :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Seems that some countries have privileged status and some other can't get their slot in calendar at all... Can't see that as fair system... Rotation is the best solution, it seems...
Rotation is not at all a good idea. It creates confusion especially for the fans that are not so engaged with the sport. I remember when I was younger and not so involved in rallying and looking at the review of 1995 and I was wondering how can WRC be without Acropolis and 1000 Lakes, and then 1996 no Monte Carlo. It does not provide a consistent spectacle for the casual fan.
I also agree that at least a round of full mixed conditions would be interesting, may it be Spain, Portugal or Cyprus (although Cyprus is not going to happen in the near future IMHO due to economic crisis). Tarmac with gravel setup/tyres is very exciting to watch!
no, only these 3/4 (and if cyprus doesn't work out put Ireland instead) and honestly if F1 can have 20 rounds i think the WRC can have more rounds than it has now, just not in this economic situation...Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Casual fan doesn't know who are works drivers these days... I know this 'cos when talking about WRC on coffie with friends they don't know who're the works drivers. And some time ago they knew it...
I'm not even sure WRC would be able to have so many rounds, and even if it could, why? I'd rather have 12 events than that many, and like me many others, including most probably teams and drivers...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
and what's with "if F1 has 20 rounds"? this is WRC, it's not even a circuit racing series, how can you compare them??
F1 has more money poured into it than WRC does. Making it easier for them to arrange 20 events.
No need to prove..I saw that's why I'm saying. I was speaking about average Joe who is the target of the promoter. Even with a better WRC TV the difference is big for somone who is not a hardcore fun. He will not identify small details on the coverage which shows that someone was on limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
The calendar influenced by manufacturer whishes (market) and the promoter short term profit target they don't realy care about tradition etc. Some rotation could be OK (2-3 event /year) but a strong base is needed IMHO.
Also, circuit racing weekend is usually two-three days. You can have a drive flown on Thursday, and ship him home on Sunday. It's not possible with WRC, where an event takes seven to nine days with recce, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa Statham Illustration
In my opinion twelve rounds is optimal. Just have half of them outside of Europe, to make it a true world championship.
6 events outside Europe?? It would be way too expensive, so we'd have privateers contesting basically only 6 events, since it's very rare they put step outside Europe...Quote:
Originally Posted by kober
In my opinion "world championship" should mean the best rallies of the world, more than "rallies in every continent"... of course, we need some rallies out of the old continent too, and to me New Zealand, Australia and Argentina are totally fine, but I hardly see more than 3, maximum 4 rallies in other continents in one season... and I dislike the fact that they kept Mexico just because it's a North American round, they should have dropped it after those stones accidents... IMO
Come on, us Aussies have to win something :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hazza555)
But seriously, it is a shame that NZ isn't going ahead. Hopefully Coffs Harbour can continue to improve
The most spectacular thing I have ever seen was in Acropolis 1988, Oriol, Integrale, gravel suspension and gravel tyres on tarmac. However, gravel tyres are very easily damaged on tarmac and it needs very careful thought if it is to have mixed stages.
WRC should have all its events different one from the other and with distinct character each one. One snow, one tarmac/ice, one gravel like NZ, one mud, one typical gravel like Porto or Sardinia, one tough gravel, one asphalt like Germany, one mountain asphalt like Corsica or Italy, one like Finland. Also, no country should have two events, even if the FIA offices are in it.
You cannot say for Australia the rally has to be in Perth.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
In this case, Perth cannot have the WRC, because the state and local government do not support it. They did not see it financially viable to hold it here. They as well as the tourism council were the ones putting up the bill to pay for the road closures as they well most of them were on private property and having to police everything, having organizers etc its very expensive. Australia is very far away and things not only in Perth but Sydney and Melbourne. Is expensive. Food, accommodation, travel etc for locals.
I won't be attending Rally Australia in Coffs Harbour because it'll cost me $600 to fly. About $500 for week accommodation. Rental car would be $350 but half if I share with another photographer or fan. Fuel which will cost for cheapest car, smallest engine about $50 each day. And I would only make about $700 from the weekend working.
Regarding having the Rally in Coffs or Auckland for NZ the local people are funding the rally. Greece have their funds from someone or a few big companies so obviously it'll stay in that region, but Cyprus didn't have good organizers from what I heard which made the rally not so good, but they probably had good funding.
Corsica, aren't there because of what reason? Why didn't the FIA let them continue? Logistics with the island? Going to and from with boat transport etc
Alsace has more money more organizers?
Just got this out of the italy topic:Quote:
Originally Posted by amilk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7w4TwOJm3I
I am sorry the forum limit is only 5 emoticonsQuote:
Originally Posted by amilk
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I also say MORE Tarmac rallies!!!
Looks like Gigi Galli controlling! Ha ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
As long as they donīt take away NORF, Rally GB, Portugal, Greece, Germany - a various calendar with spectacular rounds should be the way.
Monte? I can't live without Monte in WRC :D
OK, but remember this yr, when stages were cancelled because of dodgy reasons...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Monte's fiasco pictures French organization at its finest :) They should take lessons from NORF
Nice moment for sure and you can catch some of them for sure on a whole event- then let's see a tarmac WRC in Italy in North East region and we will compare after with some gravel event from the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
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Originally Posted by SlowSon
Yes maybe my compariosn base is too strong. I started to visit WRC events when GrA cars driven by Auriol, KKK, Colin etc. There was no worry on tarmac. But this cars are others which is good at the end - evolution bring forward. I decide always to go to Monte or not just a week before when I see what is the wheather forecast. Then remember Bulgaria WRC round some year ago....was spectacular?
Other example Aquie Term region in Italy was part of SanRemo end of 90's for sure some Italyan guy remember to that here in the forum - if they will chose such tarmac stages I will like it.
What is the problem now - the cars or the roads, or everything? If spectaculat for you means swaying cars that slide around, you should change the sport. On tarmac rally spectacular is to watch the cars being tamed with least time loss to brake properly, to find the best lines without losing the weight balance, etc. Many differences can be found even on a single fast/flat corner (of course if you know what to look for). For me it is 100 times more interesting to watch Basso keeping the car like train on rails instead of some clown who pulls the handbrake on every second corner.
There was ONE canceled stage in last FIVE years of Monte Carlo and it was due to obvious reason. There is number of canceled stages in every season of WRC but You don't mind that elsewhere as it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Rally New Zealand pulls out of 2014 Calendar to let Rally Australia have a 3 year stint, to make sponsors happy and then NZ will hold a WRC round for 3 years.
I hate this, Rally NZ every year! And I live IN Australia!!
Rally NZ pushes for three-year WRC contract - Speedcafe
This article includes a quote from the NZ Chairman that seems to suggest that they were dumped from the calendar, and that they've come up with this 3-year rotation idea, but that no-one else seems keen on it....
Read back - I said the gravel more spectacular for average Joe and for promotion if the tarmac dry and clean . Sure I like also gravel more maybe it's coming from the fact that I have/had always some camera in front of my head and gravel more picturesce. No problem for me if we have different views the life is like this and it's good.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Yeah, maybe, but this time it was determing the outcome of the rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
You're reading too much into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend