nice compilation vid of the world champ going flat-out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Oo3sN-iHc
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nice compilation vid of the world champ going flat-out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Oo3sN-iHc
Great video. I think it's a pity he's moving to Hyundai because of how spectacular the combo of him and the Toyota was. One of those rare perfect combinations like McRae/Impreza 555, Makinen/Lancer, Loeb/C4, Solberg/Impreza S10 etc (I'm sure there's plenty I'm leaving out) that just everything seemed at one between car and driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Having seen it live it looked like he was wringing the neck of it every time he passed, the noise as well was fantastic, flat out on the limit.
To me the Hyundai never seems as good to watch but maybe with Tanak at the wheel that will change. Let's see....
The video i put together from this year, he's inch perfect everywhere!
https://youtu.be/11mB2mVAAmo
https://www.delfi.ee/a/88160167
Basically a preview to a longer story which will be published tomorrow.
Few key moments:
- Märtin is saying that already 2018 there were crisis within the team and it was not the best environment to be in
- says Ott made a bold decision to sign with Hyundai and team up with Neuville
- all cars in the WRC are good and have won stages and rallies
- it was very difficult decision to leave Toyota
- Hyundai is the only real factory team
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just wanted to post this, i hope the longer interview is good one tomorrow but usually it isnt. The reporter says that all the reasons will be revealed tomorrow ,yeah right...
just longer sentences what cali already put here
Märtin said:
"There was a small crisis in the team (Toyota) last year and the environment hasn't been the best. Despite that, the work was done and the results came. It was a tough decision to leave because the manufacturer is involved in rallying at a high management level. But at the same time it was a private team like M-Sport. We can call Hyundai the real works team"
On Tänak:
"It was a decision that required balls - to go to the team where his main rival (Neuville) has been for a long time. I believe it's the right place for him and he gets to do his own things. Time will tell.."
Actually I'm quite surprised that they got at least something from Märtin. Usually he avoids Estonian journalists.
Actually that's why I posted it here. If it would have been any other person or any other story I just would have ignored it. It's very rare to get something out of Markko Märtin.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
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https://epl.delfi.ee/wrc/pikk-interv...et?id=88159671
The whole story with Märtin. Don't have time to translate it right now but this interwiev is a direct blow to Mäkinen and his leading abilities.
Have a nice read!
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I read it, it's good, argumented view from insider, and I got the reason - it's response for the shitstorm from Finnish media (or to their sources like Jouhki, to be precise). It's Clarification and view from the other side.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
I leave translation to someone with better english. But one is for sure, it will be translated to other languages by media also - starting from Finnish media.
Markko Märtin does not understand why the Finns needed to throw stupid lies in the media about the new contract of Ott Tänak.
Ott Tänaks new-season contract was as important a topic in rally-writing media as the debate over who will become the world champion. In the end, it turned into a saga that lasted for months and ended in an ugly ending that ended with the transition from Toyota's racing team to Hyundai. “Ott already said in April that he would like to decide things quickly about the future so that he concentrate doing his things this year. Unfortunately, there are always two parties in a contract. You can really want it, but if the other side doesn't move at the same pace, things will not move on, ”says Markko Märtin, a mentor of Tänak, during the talks. “Our first thought was Toyota, but we also looked around. Ott was clearly the first choice man, he didn't have to wait for anyone and he could decide what he wanted to do. ”
According to Märtin, team selection decisions are very complex. What matters is the conditions offered, the technical capabilities of the team, the person leading the team, and so on. “In addition, we are talking about predicting the future. Things that are today may not be so tomorrow and we will find out only the day after tomorrow, ”he says, adding that the whole process was made uncomfortable mainly by misinformation thrown by the Finnish media. It went crazy after realizing that Tänak could leave Toyota. “It was very unprofessional to speak in that way. Why they did it, I don't know. Apparently they tried to show that everyone else was at fault, not them. What was the benefit of going personal and lying… just blacking out other people. ”
Markko Märtin, it is said that for you and Ott the Toyota team door in the service park has now closed. Is it so?
Don't know, haven't heard. We didn't make any moves that were wrong and ugly. The decision was negative for Toyota, but all the options were presented to them that the outcome could have been positive. Nobody fooled anyone or made any circus. Ott was out of contract and could decide what he wants.
Finland's so-called "super manager" Timo Jouhki rated your and Tänak's work getting a new contract unprofessional.
I wouldn't overestimate this star managers sayings . Jouhk's last world champion was back in the last century and it was Mäkinen. After that, Marcus Grönholm came from the opposite camp and, but despite Jouhk's opposition, got his chances. Later, only money-buyed drivers have got seats and the careers with talent drivers been been messed up. I would not rate this career anything special.
It turns out that some men have an aura bigger than they really are.
If you have a lot of money, you can buy everything and succeed before others. However, this is not possible when you are leaving Estonia. With Ott we have worked with minimum resources and tried to make the most of it. It's very hard, but in the same time more cooler.
So what happened with the Toyota team? There were a lot of rumors about how things got worse over time and people started to leave. How much did it all affect?
Last year was a small crisis for the team and the environment hasn't been the easiest. Nevertheless, the result has come and the work has been done. At the same time, it all played a part in our decision. The decision to leave Toyota was difficult because as a car manufacturer, they are involved in rallying at management level and they want to do the big and right thing. However, it was a private team, as was M-Sport. Hyundai can be considered a factory team.
How big was the controversy between Toyota factory bosses and Tommi Mäkinen, who led the rally team? I guess they didn't have quite the same interest.
The claims that we bypassed Mäkinen and communicated directly with the Japanese are pure lies! The Japanese were at the forefront of all decisions concerning drivers. They had the will to continue with our collaboration, but the team's management couldn't convincingly suggest that continuing there was a good plan. In the end, the factory pays money, but they do not deal with everyday life.
So where did these stories come from?
You have to ask those who wrote such crap. In fact, most of what the Finnish media threw into the air was wrong.
How much of your purchase was affected by Toyota's numerous technical issues? After all, Tänak was repeatedly dissatisfied.
Certainly there were too many problems and they affected Ott's result to a lesser or greater extent. We had to think about whether this is normal or whether we would like to experience it in the future or we have had enough.
There was no hope for things to improve in your opinion?
You never know what the future will bring, everything can change. You can still decide on what has been and what the feeling says about the future. But it wasn't convincing enough.
How much discussion did you have with Mäkinen?
There were many discussions, but it is certain that no one fooled him. Mäkinen could have done a deal with Otti if he had wanted it on the right time.
When was the right time?
When things were on the table, for example, in August and September, there were still opportunities. However, if the goalkeeper goes to the bench at some point in football, there is a high probability that the opponent scores.
It turns out that Mäkinen did not really want this agreement.
Hard to say, but if I had wanted such a driver then I would have done things differently.
What did you expect from Mäkinen then?
The normal approach is that things can be done reasonably and efficiently. Claims that Ott demanded number one status in the team ... there never wasnt such a demand! Speed shows who is first in the team and who is second. Ott was able to win his title and his wins this year without the support of the team. Sometimes it made me wonder why this is so. Had they had more sensible approach, the manufacturer's title would also have been won quite easily. Unfortunately, Ott only had to rely on himself, but he did it.
How should things have been done then?
Just like Andrea Adamo did.
So the Toyota team lacked a bit...
Everything is relative. If you don't want to win titles, you don't have to set anything. If you want the best for your team, you can do it differently.
Did you insist on a clause in the contract so that Tänak could fly a private jet to the rally?
I wouldn't go into the details. It is a continous activity that demands and questions were asked and if they werea nswered with no then you move on. There wasnt a single thing where we said we only want it this way and if we dont get it then we dont care. If there has been a will to agree, then we had done so. Much has been said that our decisions were only based about money. It was not! Even two years ago, Ott's decision to go Toyota was not motivated by money, rather the opposite. So this time step was not a financially motivated decision either. However, Ott has been the fastest man of the last two and a half years and why shouldn't he have a good contract?
Toyota was not ready to pay enough then.
I said it was not a financially motivated transition. After all, teams understand that Ott needs to get his maximum right now. The financial number was not a problem from one side or the other. Inside everybody knows what the price is.
The opportunities and conditions are more important then.
That's the whole package. You have to be happy with the decision you make. That your athletic expectations will be fulfilled and that the people you work with must fit. It's not cool to go to work if the environment isnt good or the environment doesn't want you to be. After all, the decisions made only by money will still not work.
What made you realize that the Mäkinen team doesn't really want to keep Tänak in their team?
I can't say there was only one thing, but you can see if they really are behind you and do the maximum for you. You can sense how the rallies are planned and whether this vision is the same or different.
Rumours spread that you actually had the ambition to lead the Toyota rally team.
A mega foggy rumours were invented ... like all those other things. The same rumours were that i want to represent R5 cars. In fact, this is all nonsense invented by the Finnish people and thrown into the media. I certainly do not want to lead any team, nor is there any weight at the bowl with the R5 cars. That would only mean sweat, and the revenue in the contract could be measured only by some commas. We have been working with our team for 15 years and this is not something that should be taken to extreme decisions.
It is strange why these stories came about so much.
I have the same question myself. This is an idiotic thing that happened. People who are likely to know about this commented, but they lied to the media. However, those who knew should not actually have shared such information at all.
Toyota was half an Estonian team: Tänak drove, Estonians worked.
Having the base in Estonia is a good tax decision, no other content and sense isnt there. Actually it is rather difficult to run a rally team in two places. The Estonians working in the team are still ordinary mechanics, and no one has been raised to the second level. It is purely a Finnsh team.
How much of the rumours affected the negotiations?
The stories went quite bad in the end, but it's a recognizable handwriting. But there was no point from the media being upset that they were being fooled. If you ask the same question every two days, nothing will change. No one can say anything until things are agreed.
When did going to Hyundai become a reality?
They were in the picture all the time. Like I mentioned previously about the soccer goalkeeper - it happened when the goalkeeper hit the bench.
Why did Mäkinen make such a move?
I dont know. For me it wasnt sensible. I've come to conclusion that I don't understand how the things are working in that team.
At the same time, Hyundai also sent out a signal that the negotiations with them had ended. It later emerged that Adamo was fooling the public with this story.
When he said that, it was the most interesting moment in the negotiations. The message was wrong, but he played his game very well… with that move he played Tommi on to the bench (meaning soccer wise)
A quote from Adamo appeared in the media saying that if he had known how you would negotiate, he would never have been a fan of you.
I haven't seen this statement myself, but I imagine what and how he said it. I believe it was probably translated in a wrong way. Rather, he meant that I was a good opponent for him to fight with.
It seemed that in the second half of the season - but maybe before - the relations between Tänak and Mäkinen were not the best.
I can't comment on that.
You believe that this did not affect the possible conclusion of the contract.
All things affect. In fact, the interaction of all things and the calculations affect the talks.
Is your heart happy now that you got the perfect deal?
It was a decision that required balls - to go to the team where his main rival (Neuville) has been for a long time. But I believe this is the right place for him and he can do his own things there. Nowadays, all cars in the WRC series are good. Time will tell how he is doing there: how he gets used to the car and whether the team can adjust it to his comfort.
In the new season, Hyundai will be the only factory team in the WRC Series.
The fact that Citroën quit, the drivers decision plays actually a big role there. The relationship between the French was not the best anymore and you could say that the driver turned the head of the team upside down, and Ogier has a big part of them quitting. There have been talks that Ott also wanted to turn the team in his way, but in fact he just wanted to drive well and not engage in politics.
Top drivers are all great personalities who want perfection. Is it going to interfere at some point?
I can't imagine how it could be different at the top of the sport. This is the only way to achieve something.
What was the relationship with the M-Sports team? Tänak has kind of debt of gratitude ahead Malcolm Wilson.
You shouldn't go there because of a debt of gratitude. I have a good relationship with the M-Sports team, but I don't think Tänak should have decided based on what has happened in the past.
However, they were in the negotiating game.
Wilson understands very well what it means to have a top driver for the team. They wanted Ott, but they don't have the options like the others. At the same time, it is clear that M-Sports can do great things. Had Ott stayed there two years ago, he would have probably become world champion last year.
You said that money was not the key when signing the contract. At the same time, Tänak is a world champion and in this status the cream must be stripped.
That is why you should not accept less if you can get more. But I repeat, that decision was not only for money.
You think the near future in Hyundai team will be the strongest and the package they offer is more promising.
The team depends a lot on how it is managed. A good manager can do a lot and a bad manager can turn good things into something bad. The important thing is to have the right direction.
The Hyundai team has been there for a long time. The factory demanded wins, but they didn't come.
Winning titles is not easy. They've been in the picture all the time, but they haven't had as much luck as Toyota. This year they acted a little more aggressively and everything started to work in their favor. There were two men on the Toyota team who could mess things up. You can say they were the Hyundai drivers in Toyota ... The first presumption for winning is still that you are being able to finish the rally.
Are you disappointed that this is how things went with Toyota. Two years ago, you were probably expecting a longer cooperation?
The cooperation with Toyota was attractive and it would have been nice to continue together, especially as a world champion.
This year's season says you're currently the world's best rally manager. Your driver was crowned World Champion.
I do not agree with manager status. We've been doing things with Ott for ten years. My role has been different and changing. Someone should help the driver with such activities, and I have done as much as I can and can do. I worked to get Ott what he needed. But the manager is the one who controls his drivers. We do what he wants, not what I want. We can discuss together, but he decides.
What was your emotion when Tänak secured the world title?
Of course, it is good to see that the last ten years of work came with a proud finish and this has led to the maximum. It is also good to see that the speed legend and driving style I initiated is good enough to win the title. Of course, Ott has further developed this. It's nice that I've been on a journey where one person can fulfill their dream of life. It was definitely a cool experience.
Could Tänak become the next long-term king of the WRC series?
That's hard to say. He goes to the Hyundai team where everything is new and the competition is very strong. I don't think he will lose his driving skills - moreover, I think this is a team that wants all their drivers to drive very fast. As a driver myself, I experienced a different situation where the engineer knew best how things work and it didnt matter if the drivers hits the road or not. I believe everything is in Otts hands and he will manage it.
In pure speed, he hasn't had any opponents for a couple of seasons.
This is a bit of an arbitrary statement. There are different days and different rallies where one thing or another may be better suited for some drivers, but on average he has been still the fastest. You can't see what happens next because in January everything starts again from scratch. The title can affect the driver very well or very badly. The driver himself may not know exactly what will happen.
that was an hell of a interview, 4 posts long. lol....i did mostly with google translate and corrected the things what google translated oddly.
the first part is on page 41 if someone starts reading from this page.
his comment about Citroen leaving is also very interesting.
Thanks EstWRC!
That was a candid interview, now let's just wait if Mäkinen and/or Jouhki want to counter attack... get ya popcorns ready!
It's clear that Märtin is pissed off at the finnish media, thats probably the reason he agreed to such a long interview. A good read. Lets see how Toyota replies.
To be precise - he clearly says that it's not media's fault as they write what they have told. Problem is with sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kradovech
Now I wonder, what is the actual impact from Jouhki - first direct shitstorm via media, and second - how strong influence he has over Mäkinen and what kind of "advises" he have been giving.
Or how much influence Jouhki has from Mäkinen in his comments?
Like already said, that's one hell of an interview, thanks to EstWRC for translating!
This Tänak's body language on GB press-conference was disturbing me - the face said clearly "nice bullshit, dude". It all makes sense now.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Good point. And now I have another wonder - if and how something will be reviewed from Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Just a small notion which comes to this translation. I think the most funniest part was in the interview about Toyota's other drivers and I would like interpret this a little bit differently than stated in ESTWRC translation.
"The best Hyundai drivers were those 2 other guys driving for Toyota."
I actually bursted a good laugh out if it in the morning. But it is clear for everyone that in this interview Markko is quite mad about the shitstorm which was feeded into finnish media.
I like that Märtin is #nofilter guy, no politically correct PR crap, just pure and raw opinons which are fact-based and argumented, no throwing shit loaded with fantasies. Not declaring that he is the best guy or manager in the world etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
This IMO is maybe the most essential point in the whole saga. Not saying it's Mäkinen speaking through Jouhki, but we all know the history of these two, and atleast for me it'd be hard to believe that they have not discussed the topic in the manner that everyone can sense from Jouhki's words. If Tänak and Märtin have felt the same way, it's no surprise they looked elsewhere. First and foremost you do business with people you want to do business with and on that game (in the eyes of OT and MM) Adamo hands down sparked out Mäkinen.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Already bunch of Finnish media sites have picked it up and quoted selected bits from there (nobody has done full translation). No juicy replys/opinions/comments yet. But they will come :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
I read the comment sections and Finns are really pissed off. Many terrible and sometimes even racist comments against Tänak, Märtin and Estonians in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
Estonians have always rooted Finnish rally drivers as "almost our own". I hoped that Tänak will be regarded in Finland with the same way. From these comments I can see that some Finns have a huge inferiority complex and no wonder Tänak felt 'unloved' in Toyota as some sources claim.
wow a hell of interview.Thanks EstWRC!
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Thanks for the translation. Nice interview, but the crucial doubt remains: if Tanak/Martin weren’t asking to have 1st driver status, to get more money, to assume the R5 program or to replace Makinen as TGR manager, what on earth were they asking?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Nah easy there. These comments are like our Delfi comments. Lots of people verbally vomiting... There's enough primitives on both side of the pond. Better not to read them.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertr
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Comment-sections gods are probably not the smartest ones. Do not make conclusions on national level based on that. I mean, if you go and read comments section in Estonia (like delfi.ee), then you can read there probably pure stupidity. It's not smart to make conclusion, like all estonians think that way. I guess it's the same everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertr
for me the question is what the hell was Tommi waiting for? Like Marrko says they were ready to make the deal in august/september but Tommi didnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
This even further backs up my idea in the citroen thread (Ogier wanting to go to Toyota) that i think Tommi was waiting for Ogiers answer or he thought that Ott has nowhere else to go and he thought that Ott and Marrko lower their demands.
I understood, that all they were asking was on table for signing, but Tommi didn't do that fast enough or didn't show motivation to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
If it was all just "stupid lies" then any sensible person wouldn't bother to comment, let alone put more fuel to the flames. :laugh:
Honestly, that’s hard to believe. In the interview it’s said that Martin and Tanak started to look (and talk?) to Hyundai on an early stage; they probably knew that their demands (whatever they were) couldn’t be satisfied by Makinen. If so, it’s not hard to imagine that Makinen would also look for a B plan (Ogier).Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Well, getting Ogier with RB Money to his TMR+ probably Tänaks also with "where is he gone go" made him think that he had the best lineup+ two students next season.
Ofc there might have been talks about the length of the contract, with backing out possibilities.
That RedBull thing doesnt fit to Toyota camp. There is some Japan bosses who are against that already from Lappi time on there....
I can`t remember any connections between RB and Lappi before Citroen...
Well same here , 2017 there was no Red Bull logos seen anywhere on the car or Lappis overalls. Probably got the sponsor as a package from Citroen ( to make car liveries same). But all that is just my thoughts about the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
IDK in Redbull athletes his name not in there(maybe he isnt). But point is that RB logo is no way visibe in Toyota car. Thats for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by able1
Lappi's never been a Red Bull athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by reff92
Ofcourse at this time we don't know how the Yaris will look like 2020 (so far TGR has run zero RB athletes in WRC), but it wouldn't be the first time Gazoo Racing cars have RB livery.
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