Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The 3000 people murdered on 9/11 were targeted.

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Each individual specifically?

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Your bogus trolling analogies are still asinine and numerous.

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Great stuff, Bob! Keep it up.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

If it would save the life of even 1 US citizen there is no number that is too high.

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What would your response be to those who would do the same for their own countries, in opposition to the US?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Call a waaaaaahmbulance. Anyone with half a braincell knows why they did that rather than attempt to invade.

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And anyone with a quarter braincell knows the attempt of 911 was not human casualty.

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Originally Posted by JackSparrow

And anyone with a quarter braincell knows the attempt of 911 was not human casualty.

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I must say, I'm not certain I agree with you on this...

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

So what is your point, if you have one?

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It was to this ridiculous claim

Originally Posted by anthonyvop http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...post-right.png While I dispute those numbers I will point out one simple fact that you seem to have missed.
Collateral damage is the ugly side of war but no country has done more to prevent it than the USA.....NOBODY!!

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Originally Posted by JackSparrow

It was to this ridiculous claim

Originally Posted by anthonyvop http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...post-right.png While I dispute those numbers I will point out one simple fact that you seem to have missed.
Collateral damage is the ugly side of war but no country has done more to prevent it than the USA.....NOBODY!!

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Tony making a 'ridiculous claim'? Never!

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I must say, I'm not certain I agree with you on this...

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You can,but if they were after people wouldn't you think that their targets would be different?

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Originally Posted by JackSparrow

You can,but if they were after people wouldn't you think that their targets would be different?

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Well, if they weren't after human lives, I suppose al-Qaeda could have just shouted their views across Times Square using a megaphone.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Well, if they weren't after human lives, I suppose al-Qaeda could have just shouted their views across Times Square using a megaphone.

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The very specific timing of the towers hit strikes me as odd,because if they took them down say at 11 am there would have been 100,000 casualties. That's what I believe anyway.

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Originally Posted by JackSparrow

The very specific timing of the towers hit strikes me as odd,because if they took them down say at 11 am there would have been 100,000 casualties. That's what I believe anyway.

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So they were supposed to ask the airlines to schedule flights at times that better served them?

It is interesting, Reagan and Bush were severely criticized for their supposed "cowboy" style, but now this is the latest out of the liberal press.

"This is Sunday morning on the syndicated Chris Matthews show. They were talking about Obama and the death of Osama, which happened because Obama shot Osama, and there's this little exchange that they had, it's David Ignatius of the Washington Post.

IGNATIUS: I felt, watching the President Sunday night, that there's an American archetype of the strong, silent person, that person is reticent, but conveys...

MATTHEWS: The cowboy.

IGNATIUS: ... strength.

MATTHEWS: The cowboy. Gary Cooper. Matt Dillon.

IGNATIUS: I saw Obama as a little bit of that cowboy."

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Originally Posted by JackSparrow

It was to this ridiculous claim

Originally Posted by anthonyvop http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...post-right.png While I dispute those numbers I will point out one simple fact that you seem to have missed.
Collateral damage is the ugly side of war but no country has done more to prevent it than the USA.....NOBODY!!

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Instead of hurtling insults like most liberals why don't you attempt to prove how I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

While I dispute those numbers I will point out one simple fact that you seem to have missed.

The 3000 people murdered on 9/11 were targeted. Any innocent civilian that maybe was killed in Afghanistan weren't. Collateral damage is the ugly side of war but no country has done more to prevent it than the USA.....NOBODY!!!

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Let me point out a simple fact that you seem to have missed: The people killed in both Afghanistan and New York are PEOPLE. Ordinary people for the most part going about their daily lives, who have been extinguished.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

I will have no problem with a 1000 to one kill ratio or higher.

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And how do you choose to "celebrate" this? By reducing them to the status of "Collateral Damage". That's disgusting and morally bankrupt.

Where is your humanity sir?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Ordinary people for the most part going about their daily lives, who have been extinguishe

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Ordinary people- who condone honor killings, maiming, torturing and murdering of women for social morarys deserve to be terminated.

Of course a wonderful humane person such as your-self has no problem with these ordinary people doing such things.
How compassionate you are.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Ordinary people- who condone honor killings, maiming, torturing and murdering of women for social morarys deserve to be terminated.

Of course a wonderful humane person such as your-self has no problem with these ordinary people doing such things.
How compassionate you are.

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Tell me Bob since you claim to be a Christian, how do you reconcile your attitude with this?

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven."
- Matthew 5:43-44

Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord.
- Romans 12:17-19

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Instead of hurtling insults like most liberals why don't you attempt to prove how I am wrong.

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Well, for example, there was this British war on terrorism in Northern Ireland. I don't remember the Brits causing much collateral damage or raping local teenage girls and murdering their families.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

You are sick.

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Actually ant, he is honest and right. Neither side cared who died in the respective attacks, thats a fact. If they did, neither would have proceeded.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Instead of hurtling insults like most liberals why don't you attempt to prove how I am wrong.

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Easy, virtually every time you type on that keyboard of yours ;)

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Originally Posted by henners88

As I have said previouly in this thread alot of American's can relate to 9/11 and its terrible events because they were professional people going about their business when they were attacked in a cowardly fashion. If a few missiles go astray during an air strike and kill 10 or so families who live in sub standard housing by western values, its considered collateral damage by some it seems.

I am quite shocked to see the notion passed here that because certain muslim's support honor killings, and sharia law, this means their lives are worthless in comparison to an American in terms of being intentionally or accidently killed. There certainly are some fruit loops about keeping the stereotypes alive. :eek:

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Completely agree with you, but as it turns out, american lives are much more worth than others ....

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Originally Posted by cali

Completely agree with you, but as it turns out, american lives are much more worth than others ....

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Well I think that depends on who is doing the valuing. I certainly would pick mine first and I am sure that would be a common selection in that you would pick your own. Then begins the pecking order. I would imagine young pretty women would be right up there on mine in spite of which country they came from. Many are probably very happy that I don't get to pick. :)

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Instead of hurtling insults like most liberals...

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

You are sick.

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I take it you are a liberal then anthonyvop.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Some here roll out the same trolling topics...always attacking others opinions never rarely if ever defending their own.

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Indeed they do Bob.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Only in your bigoted ignorant mind.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Well I think that depends on who is doing the valuing. I certainly would pick mine first and I am sure that would be a common selection in that you would pick your own. Then begins the pecking order. I would imagine young pretty women would be right up there on mine in spite of which country they came from. Many are probably very happy that I don't get to pick. :)

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:D

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Originally Posted by cali

Completely agree with you, but as it turns out, american lives are much more worth than others ....

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ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well, maybe not all of them....but mine certainly is!!!

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Tell me Bob since you claim to be a Christian, how do you reconcile your attitude with this?

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven."
- Matthew 5:43-44 Love, pray (help them if you can) but it does not say do not stop evil, nor does it say to not use force, including killing ones enemies as need be. It just says show them love if you can, which, and this is strictly opinion, means do not be of the same evil your enemies are made of.
Remember the same Bible says much about fools and being a fool, which is what pacifists, or those who rather than choose sides, but stand in the middle simply judging others are.

Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. IF IT IS POSSIBLE, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord.
- Romans 12:17-19 That statement is self-explanatory.

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It is really easy to reconcile.
Remember one of Jesus' last commands to his disciples was to sell some clothes if necessary to buy a sword.
Jesus emphasized love, but did not eliminate all that is needed and just to survive. Also remember he was saying this to his disciples who were to continue on representing him and his Father.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Easy, virtually every time you type on that keyboard of yours ;)

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Explain this statement, is says nothing as is. Or is it that you have nothing to say?

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Originally Posted by cali

Completely agree with you, but as it turns out, american lives are much more worth than others ....

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Your compassion for those murdered in New York says much about your arrogance and self-righteousness.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I take it you are a liberal then anthonyvop.



Indeed they do Bob.

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Quoting out of context, is it that you cannot defend you seeming rhetoric or that your statement is vacuous as is your ability to make a point?

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Jesus emphasized love, but did not eliminate all that is needed and just to survive.

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Do you think the US is fighting the war on terrorism to survive?

An eye for an eye just leaves a lot of blind people behind .

Are you rabid for Saudi lives , too , Bob ?
All those pilots were Saudi Arabians .

Ironic , don't you think , when Saudi planes were the only "no fly" exceptions ?

Now , there are 1000 Saudi soldiers in Bahrain , keeping the peace , whilst the US fleet bases in the background .

And , meanwhile , big Saudi Bin Laden money floats liberally into Dallas .



Who's in charge , Bob ?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Well, if they weren't after human lives, I suppose al-Qaeda could have just shouted their views across Times Square using a megaphone.

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The purpose of the 9/11 attacks were twofold:

1. Target and kill Americans, and;
2. Cripple the U.S. economy.

Al Qaeda accomplished both.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Let me point out a simple fact that you seem to have missed: The people killed in both Afghanistan and New York are PEOPLE. Ordinary people for the most part going about their daily lives, who have been extinguished.

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I dispute the ridiculous numbers of casualties. Take off a few zeros

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Originally Posted by Rollo

And how do you choose to "celebrate" this? By reducing them to the status of "Collateral Damage". That's disgusting and morally bankrupt.

Where is your humanity sir?

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I didn't invent the term.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Do you think the US is fighting the war on terrorism to survive?

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The survival of US citizens....YES. Of course you have made it painfully obvious that your blind jealousy condones the deaths of innocent Americans.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Do you think the US is fighting the war on terrorism to survive?

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Defending its citizens, and those who are our allies.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I tend to agree with that and if it wasn't for the power of propaganda

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IMO it's the anti-American propagangda which is extremely powerful...

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Defending its citizens, and those who are our allies.

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Why just those? Why not all people, or at least innocent people? Why must innocent people in other parts of the world die so that innocent Americans can live?

Pakistan is a US ally. Yet the US has caused "collateral damage" in Pakistan. Would you accept if the British, the Pakistanis or other US allies bombed targets in the US causing "collateral damage"?

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Originally Posted by Eki

Why just those? Why not all people, or at least innocent people? Why must innocent people in other parts of the world die so that innocent Americans can live?

Pakistan is a US ally. Yet the US has caused "collateral damage" in Pakistan. Would you accept if the British, the Pakistanis or other US allies bombed targets in the US causing "collateral damage"?

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Such a scenario is silly, but as you are using an analogy that is void of content, if you are speaking of a David Koresh, Waco, Tx. type scenario, yes there the U.S. govt. should have been charged with murder or at least manslaughter, but he who wins the war, makes the history and that was old news before how barbaric Pres. Clinton's actions were, became common knowledge .

Had Koresh been a truly violent and dangerous force, those that died with him then, would have paid the penalty of sleeping with the devil. Innocence be damned.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

I dispute the ridiculous numbers of casualties. Take off a few zeros

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If you dispute them, then please provide a reliable link that you do trust.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

I didn't invent the term.

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No, but you do endorse the term, agree with it and seemingly approve of it. It still doesn't change your attitude does it? You still choose to hold no value of these people.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Quoting out of context, is it that you cannot defend you seeming rhetoric or that your statement is vacuous as is your ability to make a point?

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1. An ability to make a point cannot be 'vacuous'. One would never say that somebody has a 'vacuous ability' to make a point. A lack of ability, or similar, perhaps, but there is no such phrase as 'vacuous ability'.

2. '...cannot defend you seeming rhetoric'? Pardon?

If you are to criticise the ability of others in making points, at least do so in a way that makes proper grammatical sense.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Ordinary people- who condone honor killings, maiming, torturing and murdering of women for social morarys deserve to be terminated.

Of course a wonderful humane person such as your-self has no problem with these ordinary people doing such things.
How compassionate you are.

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And Americans are the epitome of society? A country where KuKluxKlan is protected by police while they're demonstrating hate,racism etc. What a BS attempt to devalue the lives of the innocent that have died.