Which had fallen 10 points from 25% in 1933 and from 37% of non-farm workers.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Perspective is a wonderful thing.
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Which had fallen 10 points from 25% in 1933 and from 37% of non-farm workers.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Perspective is a wonderful thing.
A fair point, but one which rather undermines your claims that profligate waste exists across the public sector. I have no doubt that savings can, and will, be made but the current government's sweeping cuts appear to be driven by ideological zeal rather than an assessment of the services provided and the differing needs of communities across the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Yes. On a daily basisQuote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Just as you cannot make job cuts in the public sector and assume that the private sector will generate vacancies to offset those job losses, and yet that's exactly what this government have promised will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Yes the Tories don't like waste within the public sector as they appreciate that the man on the street is paying for it; that to me is a good thing not a bad thing. The public sector is now bigger than the private sector which funds it, this is crackers and needs addressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Services can remain largely unaffected as long as the non essential jobs go, if they hang on through Union strike action etc then frontline services will suffer as a result. Keep the nurse but sack the unneeded managers - easy. Or else they could all take a 25% pay cut and then everyone would be safe even the non jobs.
On a daily basis that you'd rather not comment about, says everything. You deal with them daily yet can not praise them at the same time.
Based on your thinking you'd be quite happy for the unemployed to receive 1k a week? After all they'd spend it rather than save it so it would stimulate the economy - all those fags, burgers, shell suits do the country a power of good - or do you now see the folly in giving hard earned taxpayers money away to the feckless and lazy (dole/public sector - pretty much the same thing in a lot of cases bot aren't needed and need cutting back).
In what way is the public sector bigger? In terms of employment the public sector employs 6.014m, and the private sector employs 23.111m (source)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
The private sector does not fund the public sector, UK taxpayers do.
I'm happy to praise or criticise the public sector in equal measure because while it does outstanding work it also has its faults. It is no different in that respect to the private sector and I agree that cuts can be made. However, the public sector needs to be defended from (as I said earlier) sweeping cuts that appear to be driven by ideological zeal and which do not take account of the differing needs of communities across the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
:rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
You really are clueless.
This is a promise...... I will give you £50 if you can find a dealer willing to sell a brand new Fiat 500 1.2 Lounge for £2000 discount. In fact lets make it £100. I am that confident. See matey, not everyone is as ignorant and stupid as you think they are, some of us did the maths on our purchases and bought things which actually had a true £2000 discount ;)
This is a perfect example of how you make blanket statements which make sense in your mind and may make sense for some people. The problem is that you then apply this logic to people for whom it isn't valid.
Some people were had by scrappage it is fair to say, but not I.
Did you watch the documentary by Ch4 I put the link to, sorry clearly not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
6m does not include heaps of quangos and other public sector types, the real figure is 8½m.
If I go to a restaurant and the service/food is crap I know not to go there in the future, now how does that work re say income tax can I pay it somewhere else other then HM Tax oh no of course not so they can be as ****e as they like as they know I've no alternative. There's no incentive for them to be good at their job as they will be paid and promoted regardless.
If you are happy for non essential roles to be paid within the public sector then I take it you'd be happy to give twice as much money to the long term unemployed slackers.
UK taxpayers are the private sector as all the public sector folk do is give some of our money back to us when they pay tax & NI, it really is not rocket science.
As ever when in doubt fling insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Pre scrappage scheme dealers were giving whopping discounts on all manner of cars not just crappy Fiats.
A lot of folk who got cars under the scrappage scheme were unable to afford the payments (hence why they were previously driving around in old bangers) how can putting folk in debt be a good thing?
Fools who thought they were getting a bargain are just the types who also get themselves into debt.
Can you provide the source for that figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Whether you will or not the question you were originally asked remains: In what way is the public sector bigger than the private sector?
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Again, you don't seem to understand. The Fiat 500 was NEVER discounted by anything near £2k due to the fact that there was always an undersupply of them....... The best discount you could get get before scrappage was about £400....
Also, crappy Fiat's? The Panda and the Fiat 500 are some of the best built and most realiable small cars on the road today :laugh:
Fiats are crap, always have been and always will be, you're off your trolley if you think otherwise.
http://www.eruptingmind.com/how-long...your-car-last/
top Fiat is 38th out of 100, wow ubber reliable
So if I find a link showing that the figure of 6m does not include quangos and (trying to remember the other initials for public sector wasters that aren't counted as public sector) you'll agree then as you seem to think if it's on the net then it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Sorry again for the hard of understanding
WATCH THE CH4 DOCUMENTARY
it needs slashing down to size and needs it doing ASAP
B*llocks, Fiats are great cars :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
since when?Quote:
Originally Posted by IronRooster92
rusting, unreliable, ugly are Fiat attributes
Although they have made one or two decent looking cars but they are right up there with Alfa and Lancia in terms of **** build quality
Weren't called this for no good reason
Fix
It
Again
Tomorrow
http://green.autoblog.com/2007/11/19...the-year-2008/ You were saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Not at all. You've already illustrated that some net links, such as the TaxPayers' Alliance link you posted earlier, are politically motivated and therefore misleading so clearly not all net links provide true or accurate information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
However, the numbers I gave for public and private sector employment are collated and provided by the Office for National Statistics which is a non-ministerial government department and constituted to be free of political interference.
Which all brings us back again to the question which you either cannot, or do not want to, answer which was in response to this claim of yours:
In what way is the public sector bigger than the private sector?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Your attempts to find links to support your opinions are hilarious.
Your list shows cars which are as old as 1998 models at the very least. There are probably even older cars in there if you look.
Now for a reputable survey :laugh:
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/jd-p...ty-cars/250115
Yes Fiats were crap for a long time but since the Panda, Grande Punto, 500 and new Bravo have come along they're very well built cars.
You really are a ignorant loudmouth :laugh:
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
So Ford's are much better I'm guessing?
http://www.feoc-uk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63280
:laugh:
Often wondered who took any notice of those 'car of the year' awardsQuote:
Originally Posted by IronRooster92
complete bollocks, just look back at some of the crap that has won things like that in the past
That list is like picking which is better herpes or syphilisQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Ahh yes the insults flow when stumped
Do Fiat even do a Focus RS equivalent ?? NopeQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Ugly cars for morons
Stumped? I'm not stumped :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
The JD power is a recognised survey.
Your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
At this point there is no plan for a hot Bravo or a hot Giulietta but I fail to see what your point is?
Taxpayers Alliance is far more accurate than anything I've seen posted in here yet, certainly more so than the likes of ONS and Guardian written by pinkos for pinkos.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
For the third friggin time, have you watched the documentary I linked to, on Ch 4 who are famed for their neutrality, watch it and then only after having watched and understood it feel free to pop back and apologise.
Abarth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
If you weren't you wouldn't fling insults around like that, you'd not speak to me like that if we were face to face so why do it on here, keyboard warrior are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
They are ****eQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
fine if you are a girlie maybe but I'd rather walk
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
sunk to the nuts in each other eh
I don't know about that, the Abarth range from Fiat is awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Abarth is awesome from Fiat. The Abarth Punto Evo is a fantastic car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=22323Quote:
Originally Posted by IronRooster92
says a Clio is better
and were Abarth part of the scrappage scheme as a stand alone marque?
Hang on, I thought website like that didn't matter? Abarth is NOT a standalone marque.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Technically Abarth are a standalone marque :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IronRooster92
Bolton, I would agree that the Clio is better, it's a fantastic car in RS form :)
No, because you will note from the link you provided that the programme is not available on 4oD. I think it is safe to assume that Martin Durkin shares your views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
The Taxpayers Alliance more accurate than the ONS? You've given us no reason to doubt that you find the views of a group of Conservative multi-millionaires who advise the current government on policy from the comfort of their tax havens more acceptable than the facts as presented by an independent body.Quote:
Durkin argues that to put Britain back on track we need to radically rethink the role of the state, stop politicians spending money in our name and introduce, among other measures, flat taxes to make Britain's economy boom again.
Reality does tend to get in the way of ideology from time to time, as this government will no doubt discover.
:wave:
Amen to that!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Why now all of a sudden, Labour didn't let spiralling debts get in the way of employing millions to do work that just wasn't needed.
Shame the link is down, you'd have all learnt from it. And given you these facts and figures you so crave.
The ONS figures are flawed straight away as they don't include Quangos and this bunch http://www.englandsrdas.com/ both of who are paid for by the public purse. There you go a web link so it must be true.
Yep Abarth are a stand alone marque and Clio far better than crappy Fiat bingo something we all agree on.
The scrappage scheme was a bad idea, it only helped a handful of foreign car makers not all of the UK, not to mention an environmental disaster.
Edited for accuracy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
When stumped, insult
yawn
When ignorant, use words like stumped even when your opponent has shown evidence from reliable sources which completely disagree with what you've said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
ONS figures do not include Quangos and RDAs you know that's the case or had no reply so insulted, seen it time and time again in here from folk who all seem to be under the misapprehension they are all knowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
You've shown Jack so far.