No but if he is ahead of Hamilton in Brazil he needs to move over, or he can hold someone up if needed rather than going all out for his own race.
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No but if he is ahead of Hamilton in Brazil he needs to move over, or he can hold someone up if needed rather than going all out for his own race.
it would have been pretty similar, actually. With Jenson firmly out.Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Actually I thought of that retirement too. Were the blown engines caused by turning it up fend off Alonso's pressure? seems that way to me, but then again I thought Alonso was just laughing because he was happy, not gloating.
Brilliant drive by Hamilton, especially when you look at how Button drove.
Fred IMO didn't really believe that he can compete with the Bulls for the WDC. He was laughing at his crazy luck IMO. Genuinely happy!
which could happen right?Quote:
Originally Posted by RJL25
If Korea proved anything, it is that DNF's could happen
F1 is cruel sometimes.
Can Seb get a new engine for next race whitout penalty?
Marks engine is as new for he last two races.
We will see if Freds engine holds for another two races.
Sutil & Buemi both given 5 place grid penalties for Brazil :up:
Best race of the season IMO (once it actually started!). Ferrari's tactics are paying off handsomely now, favouring one car this late in the season (beging b!tching about cheating if you have an IQ of 50 or less). The Red Bull drivers don't want the WDC for some reason. Never seen two drivers in by far the best car all season fu@k up so much :( Alonso, WDC #3 is on its way!
Sutil also fined $10,000 for continuing in the knowledge that he had brake problems.
Guessing that the stewards and WMSC must have limited IQs then. Sorry, but Ferrari were found guilty of cheating - you can't dispute that fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
By far the best car all season? :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Also, 1995.
yep. We have been seeing if it holds for the last ... how many?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Yes. Race stewards have shown pathetically inconsistent penalties and decisions all year long. And BTW, just because a court or panel find you guilty, does not mean you are. How many times has the world criminal system got their rulings wrong? Millions of times. Maybe offering 50 was a bit generous...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Which car has been the best then if not the Red Bull? Lotus maybe? :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
McLaren and Ferrari have had a few weekends where they have been the best cars on the grid. A far shot from "by far the best car all season". Hope that isn't too nuanced for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
The pole position and front row lockout this season disprove your post. It's common knowledge that Red Bull have the best car. There have been only a handfull of races where Red Bull has not been the fastest car. The other 75% + has been all Vettel & Webber.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
This is absolutely true. They were fined accordingly. However, it is the job of all teams to get as close to breaking the rules without actually breaking them in order to gain an advantage, and at times they overstep the limit. That's why they get punished, and then everyone can move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Is it not also true that Hamilton's qualifying in Canada was cheating, when he did the extra lap without having the obligatory fuel quantity?
It's a valid point that Ferrari's punishment for Germany wasn't much of a punishment, but it's also possible to find other examples of the same thing, like for example Hamilton drive-through penalty in Valencia.
Now, I'm not deliberately attcking Hamilton, but would people please get down off their high horse and have a bit of consistency?
I'm glad you clarified and said most of the season, and not all of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Their strong qualifying performance is aided by their ignition retardation systems, which only provides an advantage in qualifying, not the race.
Blaming the drivers would be overly simplistic, and overlooking reliability, poor strategy, and poor team management.
So did Red Bull turn up their engine because Alonso and Hamilton were breathing down Vettel's neck? Was that the cause of the engine failure, or just luck?
The obvious conclusion would be that Vettel is a carbreaker, for the less cognitive of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by fandango
I think what we are seeing is that Alonso and Hamilton are great drivers - the two best on the grid - and are punching above their cars competitiveness compared to the Red Bull drivers. I always thought Webber was a good driver, and Vettel is a future WDC for sure, but they have both made too many mistakes this year. This WDC and CC should have been won by now. Thankfully for us, the fans, it is still alive and well!Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Red Bull management also needs to take a look in the mirror. A few silly decisons and reliability problems looks like losing them WDC championship. The CC should still be a doddle...though you never know!
Well he was the one driving it, wasn't he ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
I honestly don't think a drivers driving style has anything at all to do with whether or not it blows up, as overrevving doesn't occur and kerb-riding was not prominent with any driver today. I think it's just a numbers game, with Newey preferring designs that compromise reliability for speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
You do know I was being sarcastic ;) You are right though, it is difficult for a driver to destroy engines these days with all the safety systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Fernando's mid-season prior to Germany was pretty ordinary, but he has had excellent results since. Hamilton has been the most consistent, only Singapore and Monza being points of critisism as far as I'm concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87723Quote:
Red Bull management also needs to take a look in the mirror. A few silly decisons and reliability problems looks like losing them WDC championship. The CC should still be a doddle...though you never know!
I agree. However if the driver's roles were reversed, I'm sure Marko would have different ideas.
Oops :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Oops :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
I think Alonso was still finding his feet with Ferrari early in the season. He now seems settled and driving like the 2 X WDC he is. I think he will be a strong contender in 2011 again if Ferrari have a decent car.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Hamilton is just Hamilton...an all out racer like we used to see prior to professionalism and big business in the sport. He never gives in and his skills are sublime. I rank him behind Alonso only because Alonso has been around longer and is a 2 X WDC with an impressive resume. The future will determine which leaves the sport with the best career behind them.
Maybe an explaination for MS's sudden turn of speed: Ted Kravitz reports that during the first stoppage Mercedes converted both cars to a full-wet setup, they don't believe that any other team made such a change.
It was great to see the old man get a good result, but there may have been more to it than pure driver ability.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9122188.stm
Could be. But The Shoe was good in Japan and good today. He seems to be getting back into his rhythm. Brazil will confirm where he is at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
I think it's being overlooked how well Nico was performing before he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
True. Nico was going very well, as he has all season. He has been a class act this season :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Difficult to tell. He passed Hamilton becuase the Brit made a mistake, and didn't really get a chance to demonstrate much else before being taken out. A shame, he an innocent victim today. If it's true that Mercedes alone had a full-wet setup, it could have been fascinating watching his progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
At the risk of flogging dead horses and derailing the thread, that's bull****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Ferrari were guilty of breaking a rule. Not cheating. By your definition every driver who speeds in the pitlane is cheating.
Oh man you are farting against thunder !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
I just got back home after being gone a few days.
Un****ingbelievable!
With the "monkeys at the back" I thought I was watching A1GPQuote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
I reckon in Spain '96, Belgium '98 and other instances it was raining harder than in Korea '10, so the race control decisions were a bit of a joke. But that's contemporary F1 I guess then.
Already how many times has Alguersuari narrowly lost a point, which has seemed almost his either due to an accident, car problem, a penalty or a late-race pass... It's also notable, how Williams, who looked firmly set to take P6 in WCC with a few laps to go, suddenly threw that away due to worn inters and is still trailing Force India in the standings. Williams has looked faster for the whole second half of the season, but still aren't decisively managing to turn the battle in their favour points-wise. But it looks like a matter of time.
Yeah speed isn't supposed to be gained from design at the cost of reliability, they should go simultaneously. I understand the car with aggressive driving style last less longer than those of smooth driving. Over rev may cause great change on valve clearance. :)Quote:
I honestly don't think a drivers driving style has anything at all to do with whether or not it blows up, as overrevving doesn't occur and kerb-riding was not prominent with any driver today. I think it's just a numbers game, with Newey preferring designs that compromise reliability for speed.
I think Alonso was not gloating, he was just extremely happy, especially if we consider his situation in the championship after GB. And his pitstop, I bet it brought back ghosts from the past.....
A shame about the Red Bull misfortunes, but at least hey stil have new engines.
And by the way, even if it was because he had not much to lose, I love racing drivers wanting to race, I like Hamilton much more than I used to like him before today!
Yeah, I think he only seemed to be gloating to those who were listening in English ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Donney
Domenicalli had just spoken, but it sounded to me that the person who shouted "Avanti" wasn't Alonso, but someone else on the radio, his engineer I suppose, and that Alonso was reacting to that.