Schumacher !!! Should he call it quits

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28th May 2011, 07:52
ioan

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Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1

Whether or not you subscribe to the claim that MS would not have had the success he achieved without the preferential treatment and superior technology from both the FIA and Ferrari, I would be interested in understanding how you claim he is better than Nico when the younger driver is achieving the results, is hungrier and more able as you claim.

Same old, same old! :rolleyes:
It's obvious that changing user name doesn't help one.
28th May 2011, 09:34
F1boat

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Originally Posted by ioan

Rubbish. LOL!
No one compares to MS in his prime, much less NR. Remind us how much success has had NR in F1.

It is getting ridiculous, isn't it? Now because an old champion is way past his prime, some people claim that he is on par with a guy who never won anything in F1. This shows how much hate some people have for MS for owning their favorite drivers for so long. I wonder whether Makinen is judged in the WRC for his final season, Foyt in Indy Car, etc...
28th May 2011, 09:41
Ranger

Form is temporary, class is permanent.

The latter counts for little when comparing current performance of two drivers, which is independent of anything else.
28th May 2011, 09:43
steveaki13

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Originally Posted by F1boat

It is getting ridiculous, isn't it? Now because an old champion is way past his prime, some people claim that he is on par with a guy who never won anything in F1. This shows how much hate some people have for MS for owning their favorite drivers for so long. I wonder whether Makinen is judged in the WRC for his final season, Foyt in Indy Car, etc...

:up:

Although Schumacher as you say is past his prime and Nico is certainly a very talented driver, to compare a driver yet to win a race to a man who won 91 and 7 world titles, is insane.

At this time, Nico is ahead of Michael at the moment but overall he does not compare yet.

If at the end of his career Rosberg has won 4 or 5 titles and won 50 odd races, then he is in the same ball park.
28th May 2011, 12:28
markabilly

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Originally Posted by aki13

:up:

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At this time, Nico is ahead of Michael at the moment but overall he does not compare yet.

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Weel at this time of the last practice, Micheal is ahead of Nico by over a minute a lap.

Of course, Nico will probably blame those new areo additions to the front of his car; you know, those things that look a lot like guardrails
29th May 2011, 19:51
odykas

MS parked at La Rascasse again :dozey:

DejaVu :p :
29th May 2011, 20:21
donKey jote

:laugh:
31st May 2011, 08:58
The Black Knight

Schumacher had a great race on Sunday until his retirement and he was comfortably faster than his teammate throughout, even passing him at Loews hairpin. Sometimes he was 2-3 seconds a lap faster than Nico and was the 4th quickest car on the circuit pumping in times comparable to the leaders after his first pit stop. It appears there were no issues with Nico’s car but he did say that he wasn’t at his best. It was one of those days for Mercedes.
31st May 2011, 09:04
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by odykas

MS parked at La Rascasse again :dozey:

DejaVu :p :

he was just making a point. it can happen! what else could he have achieved from this race?
31st May 2011, 10:35
555-04Q2

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Originally Posted by odykas

MS parked at La Rascasse again :dozey:

DejaVu :p :

Surprised they didn't penalise him again...
2nd June 2011, 23:20
Cooper_S

maybe because he is not black?
2nd June 2011, 23:29
IceWizard

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Schumacher had a great race on Sunday until his retirement and he was comfortably faster than his teammate throughout, even passing him at Loews hairpin. Sometimes he was 2-3 seconds a lap faster than Nico and was the 4th quickest car on the circuit pumping in times comparable to the leaders after his first pit stop. It appears there were no issues with Nico’s car but he did say that he wasn’t at his best. It was one of those days for Mercedes.

I thought it was an impressive performance until his car stopped. No reason at all to retire again if driving F1 is what he wants to do. There are other drivers far less deserving of a place on the 2011 grid.
3rd June 2011, 08:45
555-04Q2

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

maybe because he is not black?

:laugh:
3rd June 2011, 20:58
steveaki13

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Originally Posted by IceWizard

I thought it was an impressive performance until his car stopped. No reason at all to retire again if driving F1 is what he wants to do. There are other drivers far less deserving of a place on the 2011 grid.

While I agree that he shouldn't retire if he feels fit and wants to try and carry on, a reason he may have to retire is if Mercedes want to move him along.
3rd June 2011, 22:57
Cooper_S

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Originally Posted by aki13

While I agree that he shouldn't retire if he feels fit and wants to try and carry on, a reason he may have to retire is if Mercedes want to move him along.

They won't do anything during the season, it is evident even after only 6 races that they are not going to be title contenders so are pobably only aiming for that maiden win or even just podiums now
3rd June 2011, 23:53
ioan

Why should he call it quits?
He's doing what he likes to do and on top of that, according to Forbes, he's the F1 driver earning most during the last year, the only F1 driver in top 10:

Full List: The World's 50 Highest-Paid Athletes - No. 9 Michael Schumacher - Forbes.com
4th June 2011, 08:48
jens

I think the question shouldn't be whether MS should call it quits, but whether Mercedes should keep him.
4th June 2011, 08:51
Roamy

Well Villeneuve is going to punt one of the renault guys out of there and they we can all be talking sh!t and see a great rivalry
4th June 2011, 09:27
Cooper_S

Quote:

Originally Posted by jens

I think the question shouldn't be whether MS should call it quits, but whether Mercedes should keep him.

well it isn't.
4th June 2011, 20:22
ioan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roamy

Well Villeneuve is going to punt one of the renault guys out of there and they we can all be talking sh!t and see a great rivalry

Yeah, sure. I am looking forward to the great JV vs Karthikeyan duels! :rotflmao:
4th June 2011, 20:24
ioan

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Originally Posted by jens

I think the question shouldn't be whether MS should call it quits, but whether Mercedes should keep him.

And who would help testing and developing the car on the track? Haug himself?

MS might not be the same of 5 years ago when it comes to speed but sure is tops when it comes to technical knowledge of F1 car, Mercedes F1 (ex Honda) engineers acknowledged this last season.
4th June 2011, 20:45
The Black Knight

Quote:

Originally Posted by jens

I think the question shouldn't be whether MS should call it quits, but whether Mercedes should keep him.

Why shouldn't they? He has done quite a good job this year. He is not the MS of old but he's far better than a lot of drivers on the circuit. Take into account as well that Rosberg is quite an underrated driver. I don't think he's far off MS's level in his hay day, though I don't believe he is as good as him.

Things that have made Schumacher look bad this year especially is the failure of his DRS in quali 2 China so he wasn't able to put in the laptime to make it to Q3. He has been quite unlucky. Overall he has done a quite outstanding job and was quicker than Rosberg in Monaco during the race as well, at one stage he was the fourth quickest car on the circuit apart from the leaders.

This is from the FIA Lap charts for Monaco and I took it from a user on another forum I use. Lap Chart

Race history

Lap Schu Rosberg
13 01:23.4
14 01:21.0
15 01:21.0 PIT
16 01:21.9 01:26.3
17 01:20.9 01:21.4
18 01:20.2 01:22.2
19 01:20.3 01:22.5
20 01:20.9 01:22.5
21 01:23.1 01:23.8
22 01:23.9 01:23.6
23 01:21.1 01:20.9
24 01:21.4 01:21.6
25 01:21.9 01:22.0
26 01:23.0 01:23.1
27 01:22.5 01:22.3
28 01:22.7 01:22.7
29 01:21.0 01:23.2
30 01:19.8 01:23.1
31 01:20.0 01:23.7
32 01:21.6 01:24.0

You can see that Schumacher is comfortably faster than his teammate after the first pitstop. He was lapping 2 seconds a lap quicker whenever he had some air. He overtook Rosberg on Lap 28, after which he really pulled away from Ros and built up an 8 second advantage in about 3.5 laps. Now you might argue that Rosberg was on the softs while MS was on the super softs, so here is another comparison :

Lap Rosberg Lap Schumacher
47 01:20.6 17 01:20.9
48 01:20.4 18 01:20.2
49 01:20.5 19 01:20.3
50 01:20.4 20 01:20.9
51 01:20.7
52 01:20.8

I'm comparing different times in the race here, but with both drivers on SS tyres and with a little bit of space in front of them. Rosberg, inspite of having a full 30 laps lesser fuel than Schumacher was lapping slower than Schumacher's first SS stint on a near full fuel load. Proof enough that MS was pretty much blitzing his teammate at Monaco and would have ended up a few positions up the road if not for his car failing on him.

Not bad for a 42 year old at all. Schumacher should keep going while he is still able to put in performances like this.
4th June 2011, 21:05
ioan

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Why shouldn't they? He has done quite a good job this year. He is not the MS of old but he's far better than a lot of drivers on the circuit. Take into account as well that Rosberg is quite an underrated driver. I don't think he's far off MS's level in his hay day, though I don't believe he is as good as him.

Things that have made Schumacher look bad this year especially is the failure of his DRS in quali 2 China so he wasn't able to put in the laptime to make it to Q3. He has been quite unlucky. Overall he has done a quite outstanding job and was quicker than Rosberg in Monaco during the race as well, at one stage he was the fourth quickest car on the circuit apart from the leaders.

This is from the FIA Lap charts for Monaco and I took it from a user on another forum I use. Lap Chart

Race history

Lap Schu Rosberg
13 01:23.4
14 01:21.0
15 01:21.0 PIT
16 01:21.9 01:26.3
17 01:20.9 01:21.4
18 01:20.2 01:22.2
19 01:20.3 01:22.5
20 01:20.9 01:22.5
21 01:23.1 01:23.8
22 01:23.9 01:23.6
23 01:21.1 01:20.9
24 01:21.4 01:21.6
25 01:21.9 01:22.0
26 01:23.0 01:23.1
27 01:22.5 01:22.3
28 01:22.7 01:22.7
29 01:21.0 01:23.2
30 01:19.8 01:23.1
31 01:20.0 01:23.7
32 01:21.6 01:24.0

You can see that Schumacher is comfortably faster than his teammate after the first pitstop. He was lapping 2 seconds a lap quicker whenever he had some air. He overtook Rosberg on Lap 28, after which he really pulled away from Ros and built up an 8 second advantage in about 3.5 laps. Now you might argue that Rosberg was on the softs while MS was on the super softs, so here is another comparison :

Lap Rosberg Lap Schumacher
47 01:20.6 17 01:20.9
48 01:20.4 18 01:20.2
49 01:20.5 19 01:20.3
50 01:20.4 20 01:20.9
51 01:20.7
52 01:20.8

I'm comparing different times in the race here, but with both drivers on SS tyres and with a little bit of space in front of them. Rosberg, inspite of having a full 30 laps lesser fuel than Schumacher was lapping slower than Schumacher's first SS stint on a near full fuel load. Proof enough that MS was pretty much blitzing his teammate at Monaco and would have ended up a few positions up the road if not for his car failing on him.

Not bad for a 42 year old at all. Schumacher should keep going while he is still able to put in performances like this.

Thanks for that! :up:
4th June 2011, 22:09
Big Ben

That´s quite right. He's not an idiot for staying. They are idiots for keeping him. They could get the same points by getting someone who's willing to pay for a drive
4th June 2011, 22:54
Cooper_S

there is no proof to that statement.... having the 42 year old 7 time champion brings in more money to the team than any rent a driver could, and as others have amply shown Schumacher is actually holding his own against Rosberg (he is after all only 14 points adrift after 6 races under the new points system and having suffered 2 DNF to Rosbergs 1)
5th June 2011, 10:03
steveaki13

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Why shouldn't they? He has done quite a good job this year. He is not the MS of old but he's far better than a lot of drivers on the circuit. Take into account as well that Rosberg is quite an underrated driver. I don't think he's far off MS's level in his hay day, though I don't believe he is as good as him.

Things that have made Schumacher look bad this year especially is the failure of his DRS in quali 2 China so he wasn't able to put in the laptime to make it to Q3. He has been quite unlucky. Overall he has done a quite outstanding job and was quicker than Rosberg in Monaco during the race as well, at one stage he was the fourth quickest car on the circuit apart from the leaders.

This is from the FIA Lap charts for Monaco and I took it from a user on another forum I use. Lap Chart

Race history

Lap Schu Rosberg
13 01:23.4
14 01:21.0
15 01:21.0 PIT
16 01:21.9 01:26.3
17 01:20.9 01:21.4
18 01:20.2 01:22.2
19 01:20.3 01:22.5
20 01:20.9 01:22.5
21 01:23.1 01:23.8
22 01:23.9 01:23.6
23 01:21.1 01:20.9
24 01:21.4 01:21.6
25 01:21.9 01:22.0
26 01:23.0 01:23.1
27 01:22.5 01:22.3
28 01:22.7 01:22.7
29 01:21.0 01:23.2
30 01:19.8 01:23.1
31 01:20.0 01:23.7
32 01:21.6 01:24.0

You can see that Schumacher is comfortably faster than his teammate after the first pitstop. He was lapping 2 seconds a lap quicker whenever he had some air. He overtook Rosberg on Lap 28, after which he really pulled away from Ros and built up an 8 second advantage in about 3.5 laps. Now you might argue that Rosberg was on the softs while MS was on the super softs, so here is another comparison :

Lap Rosberg Lap Schumacher
47 01:20.6 17 01:20.9
48 01:20.4 18 01:20.2
49 01:20.5 19 01:20.3
50 01:20.4 20 01:20.9
51 01:20.7
52 01:20.8

I'm comparing different times in the race here, but with both drivers on SS tyres and with a little bit of space in front of them. Rosberg, inspite of having a full 30 laps lesser fuel than Schumacher was lapping slower than Schumacher's first SS stint on a near full fuel load. Proof enough that MS was pretty much blitzing his teammate at Monaco and would have ended up a few positions up the road if not for his car failing on him.

Not bad for a 42 year old at all. Schumacher should keep going while he is still able to put in performances like this.

Good Work.

I think Michael can still get some good points this season.

Lets hope he has a good race in Canada.
5th June 2011, 16:27
ShiftingGears

Quote:

Originally Posted by ioan

Yeah, sure. I am looking forward to the great JV vs Karthikeyan duels! :rotflmao:

Ha!
5th June 2011, 16:33
N. Jones

He needs to move along. Getting beat by Rosberg most of the time, not being anywhere near a podium place. It's time to call it a career.
5th June 2011, 16:52
Cooper_S

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

He needs to move along. Getting beat by Rosberg most of the time, not being anywhere near a podium place. It's time to call it a career.

LOL, Such hypocritical comments I have never heard...

Anyone of us would love to keep doing a job we love and get paid acording to Forbes $34m to do it... to say you wouldn't is a lie.

It is self evident only those who never were fans of his now call for him to quit ... its sooooo perdictable it actually quite funny.
5th June 2011, 21:43
ioan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cooper_S

LOL, Such hypocritical comments I have never heard...

Anyone of us would love to keep doing a job we love and get paid acording to Forbes $34m to do it... to say you wouldn't is a lie.

It is self evident only those who never were fans of his now call for him to quit ... its sooooo perdictable it actually quite funny.

Funny? No way, it's downright hilarious. :D
6th June 2011, 11:06
ReNoir

Well, I think he still has a place in mercedes, like others have said, he knows how to develop a car. Mercedes is still doing better than last year and he himself said it takes three years to get a team up and going - so I say give him a few more and then we'll see.
6th June 2011, 11:14
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

Anyone of us would love to keep doing a job we love and get paid acording to Forbes $34m to do it... to say you wouldn't is a lie.

Of course, but that's not really the point is it. Mercedes aren't paying Michael simply to indulge him, or to fulfill his wish to go racing and have fun. They employ him to help develop the team and produce results.
6th June 2011, 13:26
Retro Formula 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by ioan

Same old, same old! :rolleyes:
It's obvious that changing user name doesn't help one.

:laugh: Comment on the poster and not the post when you have no answer. Same ole, same ole :laugh:
6th June 2011, 14:46
Cooper_S

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Of course, but that's not really the point is it. Mercedes aren't paying Michael simply to indulge him, or to fulfill his wish to go racing and have fun. They employ him to help develop the team and produce results.

True, but they also employ him for other things he brings to the team out of the car... and as has been said over again but so often ignored he is a mere 14 points behind Rosberg but has had two retirements in 6 races.

I see nothing to suggest he should quit other than the perdictable desire by those who never have a good word to say about him in the first place.
6th June 2011, 19:58
jens

It is being said that Schumacher helps developing the car, but there is very little testing nowadays and Mercedes doesn't seem to be improving much anyway. I'd be more interested to see, what can someone like di Resta do in that seat. I'm surprised that MS fans are now satisfied to see him being basically a second driver in a team.
6th June 2011, 20:02
ioan

Quote:

Originally Posted by jens

I'm surprised that MS fans are now satisfied to see him being basically a second driver in a team.

It's just a matter of perception. We don't see any 2nd driver in the team, after all this ain't Ferrari we are talking about
6th June 2011, 20:04
ioan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1

:laugh: Comment on the poster and not the post when you have no answer. Same ole, same ole :laugh:

That was my answer. Go back under your rock.
6th June 2011, 20:16
ioan

Quote:

Originally Posted by henners88

Theres no question though that Michael is treated equally to Nico but is coming home most of the time in a second driver position. I don't believe Schuey is competing simply for fun anymore, in fact he said the BBC that he has been left frustrated on occasion and the second half of the season is make or break for him in terms of next year. I certainly don't think Mercedes would sack a driver of his calibre but I do think the end of his career is close and will end on his terms.

Don't tell me you believe the crap that Bundle and DC talk about MS? The chips on their shoulders are well known to everybody.
Sure he's been frustrated, who wouldn't have been, however I didn't hear anything about make or break 2nd half.
He will go to the end of his contract, no question about it, cause he never quits, and why should he when he can still qualify 5th in Monaco only 2 tenths behind Alonso, who many consider to be on top of his game!
6th June 2011, 23:39
Cooper_S

Quote:

Originally Posted by jens

I'm surprised that MS fans are now satisfied to see him being basically a second driver in a team.

Simples... after 154 podiums, 91 wins, 68 poles and 7 titles and a 3 year break from the sport most Schumacher fans like me do not need him to add to this impressive tally, we are simply happy he is still out there... how many fans have had the chance to have a driver they support return to race again 3 years after it looked like they had retired forever...

Personally speaking as a career long Schumacher fan I in the 3 years he was no longer active I started to look to the likes Vettel and Hamilton to cheer to victory, His return while welcome has not changed that. All I now ask of him in this his comeback year(s) is to beat Rubens.... so far so good... LOL
6th June 2011, 23:52
Cooper_S

Quote:

Originally Posted by henners88

I am able to form my own opinions from watching the man speak for himself in interviews and don't rely on Brundle or DC to help me. The two have always made clear they have had run in's with Michael but have always commended him on his ability and produced a fair analysis on his return from what I have seen. Michael is looking increasingly frustrated after races and it was simply a judgement from myself that I feel he will step away at the end of the season. He may not of course but with Di Resta being kept in the wings, it would make sense if there was a need for a replacement. :)

I agree totally he returned in part because he wanted to have fun but you don't win 91 GP's without being highly competitive... He announced a 3 year comeback which surprised me, and after a really tough first season back it was touch and go if he would race in 2011... he is having a far better season this year compared to 2010 but that is not hard... with 13/14 races still to go I doubt he is frustrated enough to be considering it just yet.

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