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HABEMUS PROMOTER.
The WRC has a new Promoter, finally! News coming... ;)
I'll believe it when I hear it.
Even under the FIA's self-published guidelines there's still a month to go before any contract will be signed.
What have you heard, or are you just speculating?
AFAIK from the Service Park, an agreement has been made. But it's not confirmed yet from FIA. They just told a simple "no comment for now". Something new is expected tomorrow. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Who are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
A new promoter, or just the start of EBU producing the TV coverage - I understand that starts in Portugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
Today, in the press conference of the Acropolis Rally, they said that EBU signed as a promoter, in the middle of March. However, the agreement doesn't include the live coverage of Power Stages.
Is this not confusing EBU as TV provider versus being promoter?Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis
Kind of like how North ONe TV was the TV provider to North One SPort (Convers)
WRC deserves highlights or some live coverage on ITV4 or ESPN in my view. It's silly that there's no Rally listings on ESPN's website for the foreseeable future.
So, no comments about the Rally Argentina coverage? Am I missing something or was MotorsTV the only channel that broadcasted the event? And they didn't even bother to include commentary this time. Only video footage and interviews with drivers. Sure, some might argue about the quality of the commentators and whether or not it's better to have them. But I see this as a major disinterest in rallying by pretty much ALL media outlets. If it goes on like this... soon our only option will be unofficial youtube videos by enthusiast fan websites. They put out some cool videos and all, but it's no substitute for official "inside" coverage. If we lose TV coverage, it's only a matter of time until rallying becomes a 100% amateur sport with no factory teams...
Again: am I missing something or was MotorsTV the only channel to broadcast the event, with no commentary at all?
It was just the Day 1 programme that had no commentary. Here in he UK the other days all had commentary. Perhaps was a technical malfunction? I read on Colin Clark's twitter that they had done the commentary as he tweeted after they had finished!Quote:
Originally Posted by Formaldehyde
Seems to be a growing list of broadcasters joining, although the UK seems very, very quiet with no broadcaster.....
World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC TV Guide
Still no news on the Promoter front. Has been very quiet from the FIA on that subject.
Only day 1 had natural sounds which was enjoyable! I did a bit of commentary in my head! Very confusing haha
Still only local broadcaster like Fox Sports in Argentina did their own coverage, then only world broadcast was on MotorsTV...
They should give all the rights to Eurosport and that's it. This's horror.
Eurosport is the worst of the worst options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Why's that? When I started to follow WRC coverages, it was Screensport (now Eurosport) and it was good for almost 2 decades. Now it' really bad.
You do realise that that Eurosport coverage was not actually created by Eurosport and was done by North One TV?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Sure but millions can watch it.
North One? But diddnt eurosport do the MC highlights?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Only in 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Why do you mean that?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
i feel the Eurosport produced IRC shows are quite good!
I work in TV and used to prepare the NZ showings of WRC programmes. It would never be intentional to air any sport programme without commentary, in fact the satellite feed to MotorsTV and anyone else who played it out should have been noticed within a few minutes of feeding, which would still be several hours before it played to customers. The receiving sat-ops people at MotorsTV/whatever local broadcaster for each country should have rejected it and the dispatchers would track down the producers of the show and get them to send it again with commentary. They are normally sent with two audio tracks, one full mix, and one without commentary but with music and effects - it's possible MotorsTV messed up by playing only the M&E track, but I think it's more likely they weren't given the full mix track. Colossal technical screwup for someone, never should have aired without commentary, and would DEFINITELY never have been made without commentary! I was pretty shocked to see that...Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
From my perspective there are only a few companies on the earth with the specialized experience necessary to cover rallies well (collecting onboard footage after each stage, organizing those many hours and syncing them to where the roadside cameramen are in each stage, setting up the higher-tech stuff like the simultaneous footage stuff that Eurosport does, or virtual spectator with telemetry and so on...). Any one of them would do a fine job, it's just a matter of getting the deal solid so we're not getting jerked around with crappy episodes missing sound, unscripted/unedited stumbling commentary like with Monte this year, or uncertain TV coverage in general, lack of live powerstages and all that. I really can't believe the FIA has been so blase as to wait so long without making a deal, even a temporary one just for 2012...
There is a deal though. It has been in place for three events now.
As for Motors, they broadcast in eight different languages, and have a single transmission controller for all the different services, so they certainly won't be monitoring all the language options all the time.
WRC 2012 Argentina - Day 1 - part 2/2 - YouTubeQuote:
Originally Posted by kirungi okwogera
I downloaded this to my phone the other day, I wondered why there was no commentary!
For me, the Eurosport coverage of Monte was the best quality coverage we have had of a WRC event so far this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I just hope that who ever picks up the WRC in future does not cover the scenes of the cars driving flat out with either music or commentary. The engines howling and co-drivers is enought info for me
Good point. I noticed on Argentina coverage you could barely hear the cars at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Biggest problem is that nobody wants this, not profitable. Also FIA wants large sum of money.
Total crap it's just like watching a replayed playstation WRC video game,bring back Eurosport or ESPN.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
I can't believe they think we want to hear music and commentary not maybe the actual men and machines. Argentina was the worst rally coverage. Ever. Period.
Or, if they do want it, they don't want to pay big money. The simple fact is the sport isn't big enough to be charging huge sums. Accept this, and charge accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
I guess is depends on what amounts you need to cover the cost of production. I can't imagine that rallying is a cheap form of sport to produce coverage of.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Sure but then you have to give the rights to someone who can produce it and put it on tv like Eurosport. Didn't see that MotorsTV produce any kind of show, they just buy the rights and put it on their program.
Don't know about that... Mexico was pretty bad. The helicam footage looked more like someone had stuck his mobile phone out of the window of the chopper than anything approaching professional. I guess they are on a pretty constrained budget though.. what is the current situation, are the FIA actually paying someone to produce this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
I miss the North One TV and Paul King
at least they didn't cover the whole car's sound and co-driver's voice with their silly voice
Very frustrating. Surely WRC attracts better demographics to warrant something better. I have to say that the season highlights for sale on some DVD websites are just as terrible. All talk and no car porn. And about 7-13 mins on each rally. That is not enough. If the FIA can do WTCC surely they can do WRC better.
Eurosport is doing WTCC.
Interesting story on Autosport.com's PLUS site.
How world rallying was almost saved - AUTOSPORT PLUS
I quote the last part:
"As outlined at the top of this column, Sky was also seriously considering buying NOS and the administrator was confident a deal was coming, until the news firm got cold feet.
At this point, the administrators were issuing non-disclosure agreements to numerous interested parties and this is the first time we can find out who might have ruled our world.
Volkswagen, anybody? Having committed to the next five years in the WRC, the German car firm pondered a step further and VW was reckoned to be ready to underwrite NOS to the tune of �10m. A formal proposal was never received. Global sports promoters IMG was provided with a full financial picture of what was required, but declined to follow it up. It was the same story for energy drinks giant Red Bull.
From my perspective, Red Bull owning and promoting the WRC would have been a perfect fit, given the extreme nature of our sport, the massive potential for new-media exposure and Red Bull's desire and ability not to sponsor but to buy and own the means of exposure.
Venture capitalist Genii � one-time owner of what is now known as Lotus F1 � made an informal offer of �1m for the lot. That offer was rejected.
Time was called, the doors closed and a gilt-edged opportunity was lost."
Well, there must be a reason that they all declined to follow through with their interest.
Sky Sports offered £8,000,000 to become the promoter and supply t.v coverage to the championship.I believe it wanted a 3 year contract but the FIA rejected it because Sky wanted more control than they was prepared to give away.Sky Sports have been impressed with viewing figures of the BRC championship showned on there network,and thought WRC rallying would complement there new coverage of F1 in u.k. I know pay tv is not popular with some people but Sky always do a fantastic job with there coverage and i believe would of been fantastic for the WRC.