F1 2010: Testing sessions thread

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18th February 2010, 02:01
macksrallye

Hey, you're all looking at this the wrong way. If the Lotus/Virgin competition continues as it is at the moment we get to see Branson make a fool of himself in one of his air hostess' uniforms. That'll be worth a laugh. :D
18th February 2010, 12:55
RJL25

Just think, Lotus may have done more laps in one day with their car then Virgin has in all the days they have done so far, but the Virgin car is just as quick as the Lotus...

The Virgin is clearly experiencing technical drama's hence the very low lap count so far, but their car I think is faster if they can ever get on top of those dramas.

It's gonna be an interesting battle between them though! Reminds me of the Minardi vs Jordan battles from a few years back! The rest of the world couldn't care less about them but for the boys in black and yellow, their was nothing more serious in the world then beating each other and therefore not being last!
18th February 2010, 12:56
wedge

Quote:

Originally Posted by truefan72

I think if all other 10 teams see some value in running in the wets, then surely they all don't think it is useless. or a waste of time. If that were the case then we would have seen no cars on track for hours on end. Besides I think there are other things to test on the car besides its grip levels in wet conditions. If anything it might help the drivers and team get more in-tuned with operating the car whilst in some sort of racing situation.

All sI'm saying is that 10 teams can't be wrong in their testing procedures.
Even Lotus got out on the track and did some good laps. I think Fauzy just got done a 17 lap stint, and with no power steering too. Still the team felt it useful to hit the tracks. i hope there is not something fundamentally wrong with the car, but I have a sneaky suspicion that not all is right with Virgin.

Virgin had hydraulics problem which compromised their session yesterday.

Fauzy needs his 300km superlicence.

Lotus and Williams were doing systems check in the wet. Lotus because its straight out of the box, Williams ran with new internals - as alluded to earlier in the thread that the package around the engine is somewhat flawed.

Quote:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81560

Really we had no issues at all with the car and we now need to start working on performance and see how quick it is.

This sort of valuable data is more effective in the dry.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81562
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81561
18th February 2010, 13:24
truefan72

so kovy crashes and Lotus don't have a spare front wing either???

It would have made sense to ship the spare one before testing begun, just in case,you know, a driver has an off in tricky wet conditions, or something, so you won't be handicapped for the rest of the day waiting for the new wing to arrive at 2am the next morning.
:|
18th February 2010, 13:28
truefan72

perhaps next year they can run testing in Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, or anywhere that is not likely to have poor or cold weather in Early February.
18th February 2010, 13:30
52Paddy

Nice video. The rain was pouring down fairly badly indeed.
18th February 2010, 13:33
truefan72

Quote:

Originally Posted by henners88

A video from yesterday. I like the part where a Williams engineer casually takes a good old gander at the diffuser and rear of the Lotus. Cheeky devil.. :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l1bZjBt_78

lol

seems like a joined a bunch of other sneaky folks back there.

good video, thanks
18th February 2010, 13:38
Dave B

Quote:

Originally Posted by truefan72

perhaps next year they can run testing in Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, or anywhere that is not likely to have poor or cold weather in Early February.

That sounds sensible, so won't happen. :p
18th February 2010, 15:14
wedge

Quote:

Originally Posted by truefan72

so kovy crashes and Lotus don't have a spare front wing either???

It would have made sense to ship the spare one before testing begun, just in case,you know, a driver has an off in tricky wet conditions, or something, so you won't be handicapped for the rest of the day waiting for the new wing to arrive at 2am the next morning.
:|

Or you could not bother testing till you had spare parts to take with you.

Jeez, give them a break. The new teams are hardly Sauber or Williams let alone Ferrari or McLaren who should know better
18th February 2010, 15:45
woody2goody

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedge

Or you could not bother testing till you had spare parts to take with you.

Jeez, give them a break. The new teams are hardly Sauber or Williams let alone Ferrari or McLaren who should know better

They probably should have made sure they had at least one spare though, especially after seeing what happened to Virgin the other day.
18th February 2010, 16:03
wedge

Quote:

Originally Posted by woody2goody

They probably should have made sure they had at least one spare though, especially after seeing what happened to Virgin the other day.

What's more important? Running the new car or waste time making sure you had spares. If I was running a new team I'd go with the former.
18th February 2010, 16:53
pettersolberg29

De La Rosa has a very good time today bearing in mind he only did 8 laps. That Sauber looks competitive this year (although I remember saying the same about 12 months ago when Heidfeld topped testing 3 times in a row!)
18th February 2010, 17:26
gloomyDAY

Thanks for the video Henners!

The Lotus looks great and I really love the color combos.

I was laughing at that engineer spying on the Lotus. Reminded me of a little kid trying to look up a woman's skirt, like, "What's going on up in here?"
18th February 2010, 18:35
DazzlaF1

Day 2 times

1. Rubens Barrichello - Williams ................ 1m 27.145 - 98 laps
2. Vitaly Petrov - Renault ................ + 0.683 - 56 laps
3. Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull ................ + 1.017 - 70 laps
4. Nico Rosberg - Mercedes ................ + 1.370 - 71 laps
5. Felipe Massa - Ferrari ................ + 1.734 - 92 laps
6. Pedro de la Rosa - Sauber ................ + 2.546 - 8 laps
7. Paul Di Resta - Force India ................ + 3.199 - 33 laps
8. Timo Glock - Virgin ................ + 3.331 - 72 laps
9. Vitantonio Liuzzi - Force India ................ + 3.521 - 24 laps
10. Lewis Hamilton - McLaren ................ + 4.488 - 57 laps
11. Sebastien Buemi - Toro Rosso ................ + 5.533 - 57 laps
12. Heikki Kovalainen - Lotus ................ + 6.409 - 30 laps
18th February 2010, 20:56
VkmSpouge

Pretty respectable lap times for the Virgin, nicely sandwiched between di Resta and Liuzzi.
18th February 2010, 21:02
DazzlaF1

Quote:

Originally Posted by henners88

A video from yesterday. I like the part where a Williams engineer casually takes a good old gander at the diffuser and rear of the Lotus. Cheeky devil.. :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l1bZjBt_78

Cheeky indeed

Loved how they pushed the car past some of the rival teams as if "look at us, we're here, and we mean business"
18th February 2010, 22:21
Mia 01

It´s a very big task to start a new F1 entry. I admire Lotus and Virgin.
When the season ends, none of them will be last.
18th February 2010, 22:31
DazzlaF1

Quote:

Originally Posted by VkmSpouge

Pretty respectable lap times for the Virgin, nicely sandwiched between di Resta and Liuzzi.

I know, seems like they got yesterdays problems sorted out and got themselves a good run, albeit in the wet.

Hopefully the weather will improve over the next 2 days, im intrigued to see some dry time comparisons between the 11 teams
19th February 2010, 00:55
Saint Devote

What a great set of times today! The "wrong" names at the top!!!

Nice outing by Virgin.

What this of course does do is just illustrate that we have yet to see what the F1 pecking order in terms of outright speed is.

Although I am sure the teams have a good idea and I venture that Mclaren on long heavy runs is the best so far.
19th February 2010, 08:58
Dave B

This morning (Friday) there was talk of roads into the circuit being flooded, but now everybody seems confident that there'll be some meaningful dry running.

Uneventful so far, apart from Kovy stopping out on track and causing a red flag. From Autosport:

Quote:

08:47 There's no confirmation of what caused the Lotus to stop, but there are rumours that someone saw smoke coming from it
19th February 2010, 09:10
f1indiablog

Day 3 lineup

Day 3 lineup
McLaren – Jenson Button
Mercedes – Michael Schumacher
Red Bull – Mark Webber
Ferrari – Fernando Alonso
Williams – Nico Hülkenberg
BMW Sauber – Kamui Kobayashi
Renault – Robert Kubica
Force India – Vitantonio Liuzzi
Toro Rosso – Jaime Alguersuari
Virgin – Lucas di Grassi
Lotus–Heikki Kovalainen

http://bit.ly/aclVqu
19th February 2010, 09:25
F1boat

Joe is however very pro-McLaren.
P.S. Wow, Williams on the pace with McLaren, if true wow!
19th February 2010, 10:05
Sonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by henners88

Isn't he just, and yes its nice to see Williams showing some form. I just hope it isn't a showboating tactic they tend to use in free practise.. :)

Williams learnt their lesson about mid-season last year to stop the glory runs on Friday and concentrate on race setup - plus Rubens is too old a hand to fall into the trap of driving on fumes when he should be sorting the car. COME ON WILLIAMS!
19th February 2010, 10:05
Dave B

Red flag city today. First Heikki's Lotus, then di Grassi's Virgin (with "no obvious sign of damage") and now the third stoppage in 90 minutes, this time believed to be for Kobayashi.
19th February 2010, 10:07
Dave B

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic

Williams learnt their lesson about mid-season last year to stop the glory runs on Friday and concentrate on race setup - plus Rubens is too old a hand to fall into the trap of driving on fumes when he should be sorting the car. COME ON WILLIAMS!

There was a suggestion, can't remember from who - might have been James Allen, that teams would use one car to simulate long runs and explore tyre wear while the other does multiple short runs on low fuel to extract the ultimate raw speed from the car.

In Williams' case it might make sense to send The Hulk out to do the donkey work while Rubens uses his experience to get the car set up.
19th February 2010, 10:29
Saint Devote

Quote:

Originally Posted by henners88

I quite often take what Joe Saward says with a hefty pinch of salt but other sources are beginning to draw the same conclusions as to what issues each team are facing. Red Bull are apparently dissappointed overall with the pace of their car which is abit of as let down seeing as the anticipation from fans alike was great. Newey is often portrayed as a design god, and it seems they need abit more time to adjust. Whispers suggest Ferrari is concerned about fuel consumption over a race distance but appear to be one of the fastest cars and possibly the best car for conserving its tyres. Mclaren at this stage seems to be a favourite for the season and I for one am keeping my fingers crossed on that one. All that aside, this is only testing and we'll find soon enough who is where.. :)

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/...st-from-jerez/

Maybe RBR's retained rear suspension setup is interfering with the optimum channeling of air to the diffuser or causing stalling? Gary Anderson wrote at the RBR launch that the retained design would either create a "best of both worlds" or a problem.

But until Sakhir I would not believe problem stories - unless RBR start applying the paint as Mclaren did in 2009!!! Woking have incorporatrd it into their testing this season.
19th February 2010, 10:35
driveace

Jerez

lots of rain yesterday here in Spain till early in the morning,so hope it doe's not affect Friday testing.There will thousands there today for Alonso I guess,weather forcast tomorrow looks good
19th February 2010, 10:44
Saint Devote

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic

Williams learnt their lesson about mid-season last year to stop the glory runs on Friday and concentrate on race setup - plus Rubens is too old a hand to fall into the trap of driving on fumes when he should be sorting the car. COME ON WILLIAMS!

I agree - but the teams also haveto make low fuel runs too.

Another way to look at it is at the end of the test probably all the teams at some point have run in a qualifying set-up, so comparing quickest time may be a good way to gauge pace.

But Catalunya is still going to be the most accurate picture until Sakhir.
19th February 2010, 12:53
Sonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

There was a suggestion, can't remember from who - might have been James Allen, that teams would use one car to simulate long runs and explore tyre wear while the other does multiple short runs on low fuel to extract the ultimate raw speed from the car.

In Williams' case it might make sense to send The Hulk out to do the donkey work while Rubens uses his experience to get the car set up.

Yes, I believe that was Allen. However he was talking about Friday testing at GP's.

As St.D says you have to expect that everyone has a low fuel run at one point or another over the four day test so the fact Rubens has been up there in the mix on the combined times bodes well.
19th February 2010, 12:53
truefan72

Quote:

Originally Posted by henners88

RBR may well have issues and may not be on the front at the start of the season. As we saw last season the development by the likes of Mclaren and Force India showed that there is plenty of opportunity to catch up and in certain circumstances go backwards. I think RBR will still be a top 3 team come Sakhir, and in terms of pace RBR are not far off by any means. I'd certainly enjoy seeing Williams winning a race or two this year, just as long as a Mclaren driver finishes number one in the championship.. :)

Even though I am a Mclaren fan, I do hope that RBR don't have serious issues with the car. I hope they did not tinker with the car too much and outplay themselves. I think last years car was pretty solid. Then again with a much bigger tank and the necessary adjustments to the car, the newey design might not like being that heavy. I'm sure they will get it sorted out by Sahkir. Or will we see STR outperform RBR again?
19th February 2010, 12:56
truefan72

Quote:

Originally Posted by henners88

I quite often take what Joe Saward says with a hefty pinch of salt but other sources are beginning to draw the same conclusions as to what issues each team are facing. Red Bull are apparently dissappointed overall with the pace of their car which is abit of as let down seeing as the anticipation from fans alike was great. Newey is often portrayed as a design god, and it seems they need abit more time to adjust. Whispers suggest Ferrari is concerned about fuel consumption over a race distance but appear to be one of the fastest cars and possibly the best car for conserving its tyres. Mclaren at this stage seems to be a favourite for the season and I for one am keeping my fingers crossed on that one. All that aside, this is only testing and we'll find soon enough who is where.. :)

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/...st-from-jerez/

this is year is too close to call IMO. I can't recall previous year where I was so unsure of who will do what. The variables are plenty and most of the cars seem to be on pace. I think rewarding points to the top 10 is a blessing since I think we will have races where we could see as many as 14 cars in the mix for points right up to the last laps.
19th February 2010, 14:35
maximilian

<RANT>
Another thing that pisses me off regularly is all these red flags! They don't stop the RACE every time someone stops on track, and they have 20+ cars running that time, so why is it necessary to stop the test session each and every time there is a car stranded? There are only a handful cars circulating at a time anyways, and surely a local yellow would do the trick, unless it's a REAL mess. Especially in dry conditions... just let them RUN, damnit! Annoying! :rolleyes:
</RANT>
19th February 2010, 15:06
wedge

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximilian

<RANT>
Another thing that pisses me off regularly is all these red flags! They don't stop the RACE every time someone stops on track, and they have 20+ cars running that time, so why is it necessary to stop the test session each and every time there is a car stranded? There are only a handful cars circulating at a time anyways, and surely a local yellow would do the trick, unless it's a REAL mess. Especially in dry conditions... just let them RUN, damnit! Annoying! :rolleyes:
</RANT>

Because you don't get many marshalls doing test days as you would for race days.
19th February 2010, 15:20
Dave B

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximilian

<RANT>
Another thing that pisses me off regularly is all these red flags! They don't stop the RACE every time someone stops on track, and they have 20+ cars running that time, so why is it necessary to stop the test session each and every time there is a car stranded? There are only a handful cars circulating at a time anyways, and surely a local yellow would do the trick, unless it's a REAL mess. Especially in dry conditions... just let them RUN, damnit! Annoying! :rolleyes:
</RANT>

It's a pain, but you have to remember that there's a fraction of the marshalls that you'd find during a race weekend. They can't safely clear a stranded car as quickly as we might like, and for a test session it makes no sense to expose them to danger while they're out on the track.

Edit: well and truly beaten to it! :laugh:
19th February 2010, 15:22
maximilian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

It's a pain, but you have to remember that there's a fraction of the marshalls that you'd find during a race weekend. They can't safely clear a stranded car as quickly as we might like, and for a test session it makes no sense to expose them to danger while they're out on the track.

Yep, true of course. I think they should add the red flag stoppage time to the end of the session as they might during a soccer match (besides me thinking there should not BE an official end of the session in the first place) ;)
19th February 2010, 15:25
SGWilko

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximilian

Yep, true of course. I think they should add the red flag stoppage time to the end of the session as they might during a soccer match (besides me thinking there should not BE an official end of the session in the first place) ;)

Need to be careful re testing - the marshalls are there for the benefit of the testers, so it is unfair not to mention down right pig headed to put them at unneccessary risk.

Besides, there is no safety car at the tests.....
19th February 2010, 15:27
SGWilko

Quote:

Originally Posted by truefan72

this is year is too close to call IMO. I can't recall previous year where I was so unsure of who will do what. The variables are plenty and most of the cars seem to be on pace. I think rewarding points to the top 10 is a blessing since I think we will have races where we could see as many as 14 cars in the mix for points right up to the last laps.

The amount of near instant info from testing adds to the build up. Should be a classic season.
19th February 2010, 15:36
maximilian

Just wondering, are the track marshals "paid" for their efforts, or are they usually volunteers?
19th February 2010, 15:42
SGWilko

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximilian

Just wondering, are the track marshals "paid" for their efforts, or are they usually volunteers?

I 'think' they are volunteers doing what they enjoy. They might get a free lunch.....
19th February 2010, 16:03
Dave B

Another red flag (Hulkenberg?), this time just five minutes from the end of the session. So if they restart, who's going to do a banzai low-fuel run? :D

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