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9th October 2010, 18:09
morganmilan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barreis

How old is this guy Snobeck?

Do you mean Danny Snobeck? 64 years old (2th May 1946)
13th October 2010, 13:47
Tom206wrc

Provisionnal entrylist Critérium des Cévennes available on http://www.criteriumdescevennes.com/ ;)

Note return of Pascal Enjolras on the 207 S2000 of his father's team(MES - Michel Enjolras Sport) :cool:
I wonder if he abandoned the Lotus Exige GT :confused:

Strange also, Pieter Tsjoen on the entrylist whereas he seems to have affirmed after Alsace he retired from french championship :confused: nice if he changes his mind though...

A rumour also talk about two Citroën DS3 R3s there(one for Stéphane Sarrazin as scheduled, the other for a...surprise??)

Edit: coincidence but the Finale de France des rallyes will also happen the same week-end as the Critérium des Cévennes(end october) :s
You can see the names and cars of the qualified drivers on http://www.finaledesrallyes2010.com/
13th October 2010, 15:05
vino_93

stupid thing to have the Finale at the same date that the Critérium ... :rolleyes:
14th October 2010, 18:51
Tom206wrc

My mistake :s Criterium des Cevennes is next week, Finale is a week after ;)
19th October 2010, 15:43
Tom206wrc

As usual the Critérium des Cévennes will be on http://www.patricksoft.fr/ for the live results ;)

Note SS1(11km long) will be run thursday evening...
Note also a 42km long stage to be run twice on saturday(last leg of the rally) :eek:
23rd October 2010, 16:53
Tom206wrc

Funtastic victory for Bryan Bouffier at the Critérium ds Cévennes today :bounce:

Cédric Robert was leading with 26" before last "monster stage"(42km long)but had a puncture in this stage and lost suddenly 1'38"(he still finished 2nd and saved big points in the championship) :mark:

Great podium for Emmanuel Gascou running in S2000 on tarmac for the first time(remember his pace at the start of Terre des Cardabelles on gravel two weeks ago) :cool:

Stéphane Sarrazin in the Citroën DS3 was hampered by a puncture yesterday, and a few mechanical problems today forcing him out of assistance too late(he should get penalties)but realized intersting times compared to Emmanuel Guigou in the Renault Clio R3 "Evo"(they finished 6th and 7th overall)...

Annoying situation, Romain Dumas in the Porsche GT3 Evo was really promsingly fast on night SS1(3rd fastest time !!!)but his car broke down after(retired on SS2) :(

Edit: just before rallye du Var, last round of french tarmac championship, Cédric Robert and Bryan Bouffier get exactly the same amount of points ;)
25th October 2010, 17:35
Tom206wrc

Hey, this coming week-end is the Finale de la Coupe de France des rallyes, the event so many "amateur" drivers are preparing from the start of the season, and eagerly awaiting :)
http://www.finaledesrallyes2010.com/finale
Results on http://www.patricksoft.fr/

Great entrylist indeed ;)
25th October 2010, 18:26
Barreis

Quote:

Originally Posted by morganmilan

Do you mean Danny Snobeck? 64 years old (2th May 1946)

Thanks.. And he was tenth in Catalunya last year?! :D
25th October 2010, 18:32
morganmilan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barreis

Thanks.. And he was tenth in Catalunya last year?! :D

No age for knowledge and know-how :D
25th October 2010, 18:56
Sulland

Will anyone drive the N4 Megane on Du Var, or will it only be presented ?
25th October 2010, 20:00
Barreis

Quote:

Originally Posted by morganmilan

No age for knowledge and know-how :D

Really.. :D
25th October 2010, 22:37
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sulland

Will anyone drive the N4 Megane on Du Var, or will it only be presented ?

I think Manu Guigou will drive it as zero car.
26th October 2010, 12:44
vespa63

Some pictures of Criterium des Cévennes 2010 here : http://www.rally-news.fr/gallery/show/9356
;)
26th October 2010, 14:50
Tom206wrc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

I think Manu Guigou will drive it as zero car.

Pitty that, because if he drove the Clio R3 as a regular driver he would have a huge duel with Sébastien Ogier in the Citroën DS3 R3 :(
26th October 2010, 15:44
JTGANG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

Pitty that, because if he drove the Clio R3 as a regular driver he would have a huge duel with Sébastien Ogier in the Citroën DS3 R3 :(

It would be a nice battle indeed but i think Ogier would be in front compare
to how Meeke won against Guigu...But anyhow Var counts for the
Italian and i think France R3 Cup so i think we will see very interesting
battles
26th October 2010, 17:47
Sulland

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

Pitty that, because if he drove the Clio R3 as a regular driver he would have a huge duel with Sébastien Ogier in the Citroën DS3 R3 :(

Is the DS3 R3T and Clio R3 running in the same class in France ?
27th October 2010, 09:19
vino_93

No ;)
DS3 R3T --> R3T
Clio --> R3C
27th October 2010, 10:20
Sulland

Quote:

Originally Posted by vino_93

No ;)
DS3 R3T --> R3T
Clio --> R3C

Has France, or will France adopt the new R-Class system in 2011 ?
27th October 2010, 12:06
vino_93

I don't know, and I think no. As you could see, the classification system in France is very detailed. So the old car, like 106, Saxo, ... will continue to drive in their respective category. But the new R4 cars, if their are particular cars for this category, will have a new category for them, it's sure if we see the classification system now.

In France, we have now :
R1
R2B
R3T
R3C
R3D (I'm not sure, there is not a lot of Punto :D )
27th October 2010, 12:19
morganmilan

Quote:

Originally Posted by vino_93

I don't know, and I think no. As you could see, the classification system in France is very detailed. So the old car, like 106, Saxo, ... will continue to drive in their respective category. But the new R4 cars, if their are particular cars for this category, will have a new category for them, it's sure if we see the classification system now.

In France, we have now :
R1
R2B
R3T
R3C
R3D (I'm not sure, there is not a lot of Punto :D )

I would like to know:
R2B is really R2? Has "B" any special meaning?
R3C is really R3? Has "C" any special meaning?
Thnx in advance
27th October 2010, 12:34
vino_93

I don't know for the B in R2 class, I will see what's it ;)

C --> R3 2000cm3. It's, I think, the official name of these cars (the Clio and the Civic)
T --> R3 1600cm3
D --> R3 Diesel :D (2000cm3 ? maybe ...)
27th October 2010, 12:41
Sulland

Can be found here in article 260 and 260D:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...penform&lang=a
27th October 2010, 12:44
morganmilan

Thnx a lot both of you :)
27th October 2010, 13:26
vino_93

thx Sulland :p

There is no R2C isn't it ?
27th October 2010, 14:04
br21

to make it short:

the letters (A, B, C) describes engines capacity:
- A - to 1,4
- B - 1,4 to 1,6
- C - 1,6 to 2,0

the digits describe the range of modifications allowed (1 - min, 3 - max).

letter T means Turbo (DS3 R3 and 207RC), letter D means Diesel (Punto R3D)

vino_93, there is possibility in rules to build car according to R2C rules

Citroen C2R2 is R2B, Twino R2 is also R2B, (Twino R1 is R1B)

There are no big differences between R2 and R3, just weight, rim dimensions, etc.
27th October 2010, 15:53
morganmilan

Has anyone or is there in the network a list of R1A, R1B, R2B, R2C, R3C, R3D and R3T homologated cars nowadays rallying around? I mean makes and models, not specific plates or cars... :)
27th October 2010, 16:22
br21

Quote:

Originally Posted by morganmilan

Has anyone or is there in the network a list of R1A, R1B, R2B, R2C, R3C, R3D and R3T homologated cars nowadays rallying around? I mean makes and models, not specific plates or cars... :)

I don't think so as group R is currently only homologation extension to group A. For example - Citroen C2 is homologated in group A under homologation number A-5672 and there are homologation extensions called "VR2B" (Variante Rallyes R2B). So there is no pure group R homologation so I think there is no list of group R homologated vehicles on FIA www, but I may be wrong :)

I know currently existing homologations:
Citroen C2 - R2B
Renault Twingo - R1B & R2B
Ford Fiesta - R2B
Renault Clio - R3C
Citroen DS3- R3T
Honda Civic - R3C
Peugeot 207RC - R3T
Fiat Punto - R3D
Fiat 500 Abarth - R3T
27th October 2010, 16:46
Tom206wrc

Last round of the french gravel championship, rallye terre du Vaucluse, is only within two weeks, but entrylist looks already splendid :D
http://www.teamtrevois.org/partants.asp

Note Brice Tirabassi at the wheels of a Skoda Fabia...WRC :)
Not sure he could beat Coq in the whale though... :p :
27th October 2010, 16:52
morganmilan

Quote:

Originally Posted by br21

I don't think so as group R is currently only homologation extension to group A. For example - Citroen C2 is homologated in group A under homologation number A-5672 and there are homologation extensions called "VR2B" (Variante Rallyes R2B). So there is no pure group R homologation so I think there is no list of group R homologated vehicles on FIA www, but I may be wrong :)

I know currently existing homologations:
Citroen C2 - R2B
Renault Twingo - R1B & R2B
Ford Fiesta - R2B
Renault Clio - R3C
Citroen DS3- R3T
Honda Civic - R3C
Peugeot 207RC - R3T
Fiat Punto - R3D
Fiat 500 Abarth - R3T

Thnx br21. It isn´t Soda Fabia R2 homologated yet?
PD Maybe this isn´t the appropiate thread to go on talking about this question. So, answer please me, if you know that and we can close the issue or open a new thread about it. Do you agree?
27th October 2010, 17:21
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by br21

There are no big differences between R2 and R3, just weight, rim dimensions, etc.

Also gearbox, R2 has only 5-speed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by morganmilan

Thnx br21. It isn´t Soda Fabia R2 homologated yet?

Still not.
28th October 2010, 09:30
vino_93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

Last round of the french gravel championship, rallye terre du Vaucluse, is only within two weeks, but entrylist looks already splendid :D
http://www.teamtrevois.org/partants.asp

Note Brice Tirabassi at the wheels of a Skoda Fabia...WRC
Not sure he could beat Coq in the whale though... :p :

PG Andersson and his Evo X could beat with them :cool:
And come back to Maurin on gravel :)
Whose Fabia is it for Tirabassi ? :confused:
28th October 2010, 13:25
OldF

Quote:

Originally Posted by morganmilan

Has anyone or is there in the network a list of R1A, R1B, R2B, R2C, R3C, R3D and R3T homologated cars nowadays rallying around? I mean makes and models, not specific plates or cars... :)

Yes, there is:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...ieurs_2010.pdf

WR = WRC
KS = S1600 and S2000
KSR = S2000 circuit
VR = R1-R3

If you want go in to more details:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...s_Oct.2010.pdf

Main page for homologations:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/Pages/Homologations.aspx
28th October 2010, 13:38
OldF

Sorry,

KSR = S2000
KS = S2000 circuit
28th October 2010, 14:18
morganmilan

Thnx a lot OldF :)
30th October 2010, 14:54
Sulland

What are good internet-sites for used rallycars in France ?
31st October 2010, 09:31
vino_93

I think ... any. Are you looking for a site like s2000rally ?

Dany Snobeck will drive a C4 WRC to the Var :eek:
31st October 2010, 09:58
Sulland

Quote:

Originally Posted by vino_93

I think ... any. Are you looking for a site like s2000rally ?

Dany Snobeck will drive a C4 WRC to the Var :eek:

No, sites where you can sell and buy used rallycars ?
Like rallycarsforsale.net
31st October 2010, 10:11
Tom206wrc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

Hey, this coming week-end is the Finale de la Coupe de France des rallyes, the event so many "amateur" drivers are preparing from the start of the season, and eagerly awaiting :)
http://www.finaledesrallyes2010.com/finale
Results on http://www.patricksoft.fr/

Great entrylist indeed ;)

Congratulations to David Salanon overall winner of the Finale, Xavier Pruvot(amazing pace to catch his lateness of night leg and try to beat Salanon), and Sébastien Dommerdich(who doesn't run in the Abarth Grande Punto since long time) :cool:
31st October 2010, 19:11
vino_93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sulland

No, sites where you can sell and buy used rallycars ?
Like rallycarsforsale.net

aaah
http://rallye-forez.com/ ;)

Tom : Dommerdich drove the Punto during the Rallye du Mont Blanc and ... ? Only the final ?

Great race for Pruvot :cool: His new Impreza is really a good car :)
9th November 2010, 19:35
Tom206wrc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

Last round of the french gravel championship, rallye terre du Vaucluse, is only within two weeks, but entrylist looks already splendid
http://www.teamtrevois.org/partants.asp

Note Brice Tirabassi at the wheels of a Skoda Fabia...WRC
Not sure he could beat Coq in the whale though...

Full entrylist available now :cool:

Bad news though, Bernard Munster is forfait, because crash of his Octavia at Condroz last week-end :mark:

Edit: oh no PG Andersson forfait too :eek: :(

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