just one more thing
1972
Volker Low-Jurgen Illig
and in Bavaria I have Peter Brink-Hans Joachim Brink
regards
jorge
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just one more thing
1972
Volker Low-Jurgen Illig
and in Bavaria I have Peter Brink-Hans Joachim Brink
regards
jorge
Jorge! It' amazing, what you can contribute. Thank you very much for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrally
For the answer above I did some research on my own.
I found out, that the first name of Löw is Folker, a first name, that is not very common in Germany, but it is a first name, that can be used.
One thing I noticed during my research is, that in the homepage of Rallye Deutschland 1992 Droogmans is on third place. In Tjeerd's database Droogmans is disqualified.
As I know, how efficient Tjeerd is working, I believe in his source. Does anyone remember the background of this disqualification.
Does anybody know the total distance and special stages distance of 1997 Rally Piancavallo, a second round of European Rally Championship 1997?
1 maggio 1997 - 18° Rally di PiancavalloQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
total distance: km. 989
Regards
Giorgio
Thank you. And distance of the special stages?
I've found it out myself. After the rally investigation concering fuel had been made. For Droogmans a too high lead content had been measured. So weeks after the event he had been disqualified.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraut
It is quite embarrassing, that in a privately organised database the result is correct and on the official homepage of a WRC-organiser a wrong result is published.
Someone knows the results (top 3) ?
31 gennaio 1981 - Rally Kalkberg
6 marzo 1981 - Rally Westfalen Lippenfarht
14 marzo 1981 - Sachs Rally Unterfranken
21 marzo 1981 - Rally Hinterland
11 aprile 1981 - Rally Lahn
25 aprile 1981 - Vogelsberg "Jubiläums" Rally
1 maggio 1981 - Lubeck Rally
9 maggio 1981 - Rally Ulm
23 maggio 1981 - Rally Schinderhannes
6 giugno 1981 - Rally Wolfsburg - Berlin
26 giugno 1981 - Valvoline Rheinland-Pfalz Rally
Very thanks
Giorgio
Kraut, by any chance, do you know these results ?
1970
Trifels (form 6th to 10th)
Hugenotten (2-10)
Bavaria - cars of 3th Muhleck, 4th Zweibaumer, 9th Franik and 10th Hainbach
1971
Sachs Winter - co-drivers of 7th Ottensmann and 10th Rosenberger
Nordland - cars of 8th Denker and 10th Kruger
1973
Hubertus (9-10)
Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge
A feast for rally statisticians is http://www.bilhistorie.no/sport2/.
There you'll find results from Norwegian drivers and non-Norwegian drivers sorted alphabetically.
If you want more norwegian results, maybe you can find something interesting at my recently introduced site http://home.hebb.no/rin . For the time beeing the site is very amateurish, but it will have to do for now. Hopefully it will appear more proffessional when I get some help....
RiN
Hi guys,
Out of curiosity, just how the Ford RS200 Evo would fare against Audi Sport Quattro S1 Evo, Peugeot 205 T16 Evo & Lancia Delta S4?
I'm also quite suprised to see that the 600+ bhp RS200 Evo doesn't have much wings compared to the similarly powerful Audi Sport Quattro S1 Evo?
Is it stable enough?
http://automobile.2405.com/automobil...00evo_2405.jpg
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic.p...m=1&carnum=610
Does anyone knows the reasons of retirements in Acropolis 2005 of Jaan Molder Jr and Ricardo Triviño ?
Thanks in advance
Regards
jorge
No one can ever know. (Rallycross is not a real comparison with rallying).Quote:
Originally Posted by jaybond
Like the Metro 6R4, the RS200 was delayed and Ford, like Austin Rover, found when they started rallying it at world level they had underestimated where Peugeot and Lancia would be in development by then. Conversely, Peugeot and Lancia were further down the road to getting the ultimate development and thus had less to come. Many think the RS200 Evo would have dominated Group B rallying. The Metro 6R4 never would have done without a complete re-homologation of another 200 cars along the lines of the Will Gollop turbo rallycross Metro. Its lack of turbos meant Evolution would not have helped it. As for Audi, many feel they never would have really "got it together" and had missed their chance. Others, however, believe a front-engined car fully sorted with all the right bits would have been the best. When Pentti expesses that view, as he has on this forum, we should all listen.
At 1984 RAC McRae-Nicholson & Fisher-Frazer were in the Opel Mantas entered by GM Dealersport.
I wonder, did that had anything to do with the works Opel Euro Team (like, for example, Nissan/DT Dobie entries at Safari), or was it a separate, private entry?
The UK GM operations were always dealer funded to a greater or lesser degree. That included the DTV Chevette programme. Moreover, support for particular drivers can be linked to Vauxhall/Opel dealer involvement (John Cleland in racing, quite apart from rallying). Laterly this funding was inadequate and additional sponsors were associated.
"Following the money" is always difficult. I can't be sure there was no financial input from the main Opel team in Russelheim but I doubt it. However, you also need to remember the (British) team manager of the Opel team in Russelheim ended up in jail for financial irregularities......
Russel Brookes was also in a GM Dealersport Manta on the 84 RAC. His carried Andrews sponsorship, McRae's AC Delco (the GM spare parts operation) and Fisher's Shell, confirming additional money was having to be found to run the cars at all. I'm not sure whether Fisher's car was built in Ireland by Sydney Meeke or in England with the other two but all three were under the GM Dealersport service "umbrella" at that time. Their results were claimed by GM UK but reality was the UK GM HQ operation (making Vauxhalls not Opels) was not putting its hand in its pocket to fund them. Once the team was using Vauxhall Astras in GpA (a car built in the UK) things may have been different.
Thanks very much FAL.
Someone knows.....
Rally Lyon – Charbonnières
1949 ???? Blondel - ???? Monestier
1949 J.???? Gobba – J.???? Durand
1949 ???? Trolliet - ???? Chatillon
1950 Marc Gignoux - ???? Ugnon
1950 ???? Benmussa - ???? Joux
1951 Gaston Gautruche - ???? Girier
1952 Noel Pouderoux - ???? Quincieu
1953 ???? Peignaux - ???? Jacquin
1953 Claude Storez - L.???? Storez
1953 René Cotton - ???? Letort
1954 Marcel Gacon - ???? Arcan
1954 ???? Matussière - ???? Lemasson
1955 Georges Houel - ???? Pilliet
1955 ???? Galtier - ???? Parizot
1956 ???? Storr - Mme???? Gillestre
1956 René Cotton - ???? Leclère
1957 Robert Gentilini - ???? Chevrier
1957 ???? Aumas – ???? Grandt
1957 ???? Schild – Lillie Aumas
1976 Alain Serpaggi - ???? Andreanni
1979 Bernard Beguin - ???? ????
Thanks in advance
Giorgio
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giorgio
Only a few:
- J.??? Durand: Back in those years in french rallying there was a chap called André Durand around... but I don't know for sure if is the same J. Durand
- Girier: Raymond
- Jacquin: Roger
- L.??? Storez: Léon
- Marcel Gacon: I have A. Gacon in my database. Is the same chap?
- Arcan: Henri
- Storr: Guy
- Leclère: J.
- Aumas: Jean-Pierre
Carles.
Is Marcel Gacon with Henri Arcan!Quote:
Originally Posted by Carles Bosch 2
Thank you Carles!
Giorgio
Someone knows.....
Circuit des Ardennes
1954 ???? Barbier - ???? Bianchi
1954 ???? van de Kaart - ???? Dachelet
1954 ???? Evrard - ???? Collignon
1954 ???? Deisser - ???? Teirlinck
1954 ???? Grisay - ???? van Hove
1954 ???? Gosselin - ???? Gosselin
1963 Louis Chardin - ???? Pasquier
1963 P.???? Duperray - G.???? Duperray
1963 ???? Depaquit - ???? Avril
1964 Jean François Piot - ???? Vanson
1964 ???? Mordel - ???? Barbara
1964 ???? Jitay - ???? Noiret
1964 Louis Chardin - ???? Depalnit
1964 ???? Delaine - ???? Veron
1974 Willy Plas - ???? Maes
1975 ???? Engels - ???? du Bulde
Thanks in advance
Giorgio
Someone knows.....
Rally d'Antibes
1970 ???? Richard - ???? Guillot
1972 Michel Saliba - ???? Ryder
1974 Jean Louis Clarr - ???? Sofil
1974 ???? Rouvier - ???? Lemoing
1975 Christian Lunel - ???? Giordanella
1976 Christian Lunel - ???? Roux
1977 Michèle Mouton - ???? ????
1979 Alain Cudini - ???? Bourgoise
Thanks in advance
Giorgio
Hi!
Maybe someone here can help me. I am searching for start lists and/or results of the following events:
1986 Manx Rally
1985 Hankki Rally
1985 Boucles de Spa
Thanks in advance!
Daniel
I should have results for the 1986 Manx; what do you want to know?Quote:
Originally Posted by dkone
Hi Martin,
thanks for your post. I am looking for a list of the Group B (Car, Driver, Codriver, maybe team) cars, which entered the event plus their result or reason for retirement.
Thanks for helping me.
Daniel
Tudor Webasto Manx Rally - September 10-13th 1986Quote:
Originally Posted by dkone
Entries in class B12
No Crew Car Total Position (Class Overall)
1 Tony Pond/Rob Arthur -MG Metro 6R4 - 3:18:01 1 1
3 Jimmy McRae/Ian Grindrod - MG Metro 6R4 - Cam belt SS21
4 Mark Lovell/Roger Freeman - Ford RS200 - 3:21:28 3 3
5 Russell Brookes/Mike Broad - Opel Manta 400 - 3:24:43 5 5
6 Billy Coleman/Ronan Morgan - MG Metro 6R4 - Mechanical SS13-14
7 Harald Demuth/Emilio Radaelli - Audi Quattro A2 - Gearbox SS5
8 Mikael Sundstrom/Voitto Silander - Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 - 3:24:15 4 4
9 David Llewellin/Phil Short - MG Metro 6R4 - 3:20:31 2 2
10 Austin McHale/Christy Farrell - Opel Manta 400 - 3:30:13 6 6
12 Mike Stuart/Brian Rainbow - MG Metro 6R4 - Transmission SS4
17 Harri Toivonen/Neil Wilson - MG Metro 6R4 - Mechanical SS11
21 Cyril Bolton/Derek Ervine - MG Metro 6R4 - 3:31:07 7 7
22 Simon Davison/Bobby Willis - Nissan 240RS - 3:41:50 8 8
26 J.C. Barnes/Andrew Lees - Talbot Sunbeam Lotus 3:50:51 9 10
28 Brett Martin/Kenneth Mitchell - Nissan 240RS - Mechanical SS26
30 Jukka Karjalainen/Timo Lappalainen - Nissan 240RS - Mechanical SA6
32 Nick Starkey/John Peckham - Talbot Sunbeam Lotus - Mechanical SS20
42 James Simson/Mike Vokes - Talbot Sunbeam Lotus - Steering rack SS1
Martin,
thanks a lot for you help. This is exactly what I was looking for.
Cheers,
Daniel
Although one day later I would like to wish Janusz a happy birthday for his 50th anniversary and wish him ALL THE BEST and thank him for being one of the main contributors to this thread !
Happy birthday Janusz !!! (I know that you probably is in the Polski Rally)
best regards
jorge
Someone knows....
1 marzo 1932
Great Britain
1° RAC Rally
Start: London, Bath, Norwich, Edinburgh, etc.
Finish: Torquay
km. 1900
national rally
cars over 1100 cc
1. Col. A???? H???? Loughborough (Lanchester 2504 cc)
2. J???? Mercer (Daimler 4018 cc)
3. G???? F???? Dennison (Riley 1633 cc)
cars under 1100 cc
1. Victor E???? Leverett (Riley)
2. R???? St. G???? Riley (Riley)
3. G???? H???? Strong (Standard)
first edition - 367 entries - 342 starters - 25 non-starters - 308 classified
source: Magazine Autocar, London 1932
Thanks in advance
Giorgio
Thank you Jorge for greetings and good words!Quote:
Originally Posted by jrally
Yes, indeed I was following the rally (what a wonderful weather it was! and an interesting competition, too). Then on Monday I had an 8 hours long meeting concerning my job, so I was disconnected from the net for 5 consecutive days and couldn't response earlier.
Best regards
Janusz
Happy birthday janusz, even if I'm a few days late, but you know what they say, better late than never...
I have some questions which are sort of history, even tho it's not the results that I'm after, but some info on the deaths of some past drivers.
Does anybody know what happened to Mikael Sundstrom (he died at 2001 at the age of 44)? Was it an rally accident, traffic accident or...?
The same for Jorge Recalde?
Finally, Lars-Erik Torph. I seem to remember that he lost his life at 1989 Monte Carlo, but as a spectator. I think it was in that horror-crash of Alex Fiorio, who went off the cliff and straight thru a group of people in the process, with poor Lars-Erik beeing among them. Is that correct?
I believe the 1932 "RAC" Rally was actually titled the Torquay Rally and became the RAC rally in 1933. I'm afraid I don't have the books that cover that period and it's a bit before my time! Also the crews' names from then are not names familiar in other forms of motor sport.
It is correct Lars-Erik Torph was killed as a spectator on the Monte Carlo Rally (after retiring from the event I think). He was a sensation on the 84 RAC in a private GpA Ascona and I expected to see him straight into a top drive but he never seemed to get quite the right deal. I should know the fate of the others but I cannot recall it.
Monte
About LE Torph you are right. Concerning Sundström he died at home - probably it was heart attack and Recalde died of heart attack too during Villa Dolores Rally while he was second overall. Howether it was not on the stage he collapsed in his motorhome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaps
Regards
Janusz
Thanks FAL & janusz!
Someone knows......
14-18 marzo 1933
Great Britain
2° RAC Rally
Start: Bath, Buxton, Glasgow, Harrogate, Leamington, Liverpool, London, Newcastle, Norwich
Finish: Hastings
km. 1609
international rally
class 1 cars over 16 hp
1. T???? D???? Wynn Weston (Rover Speed 20 6c 2565 cc)
2. Donald Healey (Invicta 4467 cc)
3. K???? Hutchison (Ford 3622 cc)
class 2 cars over 10 hp and up to 16 hp
1. Miss Kitty Brunell (AC)
2. C???? M???? Anthony (Aston Martin)
3. M???? C???? Wilks (Rover)
class 3 cars up to 10 hp
1. George Dennison (Riley)
2. F???? R???? G???? Spikins (Singer)
3. F???? C???? Rolfe (Singer)
source: Magazine Autocar, London 1933
Thanks in advance
Giorgio
Mikael Sundstrom died of cancer 23 January 2001Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaps
Regards
Dario
These are results from de Boucles de Spa of 1985. These are main entries and results. As you can see in results, a lot of cars are unindentified.Quote:
Originally Posted by dkone
Entries:
1. Harald Demuth - Audi Quattro A2
2. Björn Waldegaard - Audi Quattro A2
3. Per Eklund - Toyota Corolla GT
4. Pentti Airikkala - Nissan 240RS
5. Patrick Snijers - Lancia Rally 037
6. Robert Droogmans - Porsche 911 SC
7. Marc Duez - Mazda RX7
8. Guy Colsoul - Opel Manta 400
9. Jean-Claude Dumond - Porsche 911 SC
10.TH. Reginster - Porsche 911 SC
11.Vandermaese - Opel Ascona 400
12.Laret - Opel Ascona
14.Dirk Vermeersch - Toyota Corolla GT
16.Gaby Goudezeune - Alfa Romeo GTV6
17.Dumond - Nissan 240RS
19.Svatopluk Kvaizar - Skoda 130L
20.Ladislav Krecek - Skoda 130L
25.Gregoire de Mevius - Talbot Samba Rallye
31.Bernard Munster - Audi 80 Quattro
33.Jacky Dortu - Fiat Ritmo Abarth
34.Klaus Fritzinger - Toyota Corolla GT
65.Michel Dumoulin - Ford Escort RS
Results:
1. Björn Waldegaard - Audi Quattro A2
2. Marc Duez - Mazda RX7
3. Bernard Munster - Audi 80 Quattro
4. Ladislav Krecek - Skoda 130L
5. Dirk Vermeersch - Toyota Corolla GT
6. Vandermaese - Opel Ascona 400
7. Klaus Fritzinger - Toyota Corolla GT
8. Svatopluk Kvaizar - Skoda 130L
9. Gregoire De Mevius - Talbot Samba Rallye
10.Jacky Dortu - Fiat Ritmo Abarth
11.TH. Reginster - Porsche 911 SC
12.Close - ?
13.Lurquin - ?
14.Bastin - ?
15.Lietaer - ?
16.Chaballe - ?
17.Lambert - ?
18.Reusch - ?
19.Premont - ?
20.Bouhy - ?
Thanks Dario!Quote:
Originally Posted by dario
Christian MaesQuote:
Originally Posted by Giorgio