FIA slams Hill and explains what and why they do

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Originally Posted by ioan

Why don't you just appeal to the FIA COA and give us all a break with your broken record?
You could show them all the "evidence" you have about those "illegal" floors! :s :rolleyes:

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Are you denying that he said that?

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Originally Posted by wmcot

As Ioan pointed out, McLaren were running a similar floor. If Ferrari had been disqualified, I assume McLaren (and Red Bull) would have been, also. The results would be the same.

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Not that it matters, but your statement that the results would be the same is incorrect. Kimi would have lost 10 points, the others would have lost less.

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Originally Posted by passmeatissue

Charlie Whiting said the floor was clearly illegal.

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So do a lot of people on this forum, but that doesn't change anything, either. They also seem to forget that if Ferrari was "illegal" then so were McLaren and RedBull!

We're just swapping opinions back and forth like a ping-pong match.

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Originally Posted by Firstgear

Not that it matters, but your statement that the results would be the same is incorrect. Kimi would have lost 10 points, the others would have lost less.

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You are technically correct with the point totals, but I was just pointing out that everyone points to the Ferrari floor and ignores the McLaren and RedBull floors which would also be "illegal" according to the strict interpretation of the rules.

Well, if you can give any details what the other floors were like, those can be discussed, sofar there has been details only of the Ferrari floor.
BTW, didn't f1.com suggest that BMW were running a similar setup too, one with some sort of elastomers as springs?

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Originally Posted by passmeatissue

"All cars have a form of stay holding the front of the floor in place, but rivals noticed an unusually complex arrangement on the Ferrari when the bodywork was off the car in the Melbourne pit garage.
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Also the likely answer to why they were allowed to run...

Ron is quoted as saying...

"“There is a whole range of things that come to light in the first race and you go and you say what is legal, and what is not legal. Most teams are given that current race to enjoy the benefit of the doubt. I think there will be a rationalization of some aspects of some cars that would close the gap if no one did anything."

http://www.totalf1.com/view-article.php?newsid=197806

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McLaren apparently used a "pre-buckled stay", which seemed rigid in the paddock but yielded at a certain threshold speed on the track.

So you are right wmcot, there were several illegal floors. I have a suspicion that the Ferrari floor could not have been modified to pass scrutineering for the race, while the RB and Macca's could, by just reinforcing their stays. But no evidence. I hadn't heard about BMW's polymer one.

But quite a sudden trend to the idea, wasn't it? Makes you wonder if a few emails circulated about the concept... ;)

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Originally Posted by wmcot

So do a lot of people on this forum, but that doesn't change anything, either. They also seem to forget that if Ferrari was "illegal" then so were McLaren and RedBull!

We're just swapping opinions back and forth like a ping-pong match.

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Well I was really just contesting another member's assertion that the floor could not be discussed because it was unarguably legal. My view is like janeppi's, that the way forward is to introduce more information.

For those who don't want to discuss it anymore, fair enough, just don't post about it :p .

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Originally Posted by wmcot

We're just swapping opinions back and forth like a ping-pong match.

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The hardest part of playing ping-pong is when you do smashing out of the table and ask your opponent to pick up the ball himself back and forth. :p :

btw Jannepi came with useful solution, especially about Peters town :)

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Originally Posted by passmeatissue

Well I was really just contesting another member's assertion that the floor could not be discussed because it was unarguably legal. My view is like janeppi's, that the way forward is to introduce more information.

For those who don't want to discuss it anymore, fair enough, just don't post about it :p .

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I enjoy finding out more info on F1 cars. I wish there was more of it on this forum. The problem is that all threads seem to head toward endless bashing of one form or other. I would love to learn more about the McLaren and Red Bull floors as well as many more technical details as to what makes an F1 car work!

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Originally Posted by janneppi

Well, if you can give any details what the other floors were like, those can be discussed, sofar there has been details only of the Ferrari floor.
BTW, didn't f1.com suggest that BMW were running a similar setup too, one with some sort of elastomers as springs?

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It seems to me that the more restrictive you make the rules, the more exotic the solutions will be employed to gain an advantage.