FIA offical checking McLaren equality*Merged*

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Originally Posted by markabilly

You refer to team orders rule---something I have never understood as being logically enforced by FIA, (as with a million other things that are FIA, common logic has nothing to do with nothing)

The rule seems to be that team orders affecting outcome of race are okay, unless they produce a public display that makes it seem that the orders are affecting the outcome of a race or one of the drivers makes a big public fuss, making it bad for the sport

In other words, it is okay to quietly arrange pit stops, etc., so that they affect the race outcome or permit a teamamate to get ahead,

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Don't be surprised if there is a very broad interpretation of this rule in Brazil
Personally I think it will cause a tremendous amount of controversy and a really convoluted conclusion if they don’t narrow it down to one team driver taking out another team’s driver. Or in Fred's case taking out his own driver! If Massa's pit stop is synchronized to get him out in front of Hamy and really only drive fast enough to keep him behind look for a black flag, or more likely an immediate drive through penalty with the threat of a black flag for non compliance

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Don't be surprised if there is a very broad interpretation of this rule in Brazil
Personally I think it will cause a tremendous amount of controversy and a really convoluted conclusion if they don’t narrow it down to one team driver taking out another team’s driver. Or in Fred's case taking out his own driver! If Massa's pit stop is synchronized to get him out in front of Hamy and really only drive fast enough to keep him behind look for a black flag, or more likely an immediate drive through penalty with the threat of a black flag for non compliance

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No doubt if the opportunity presents itself......the FIA will maximize the opportunity to do something :rolleyes:

:beer: Guess i should have said "something real stupid", and given the "official whatever is he gonna do scrutineer"....they are off to an excellent start for this race....

And for all you anti-Hamilton or pro FA fans, what makes you think that the real purpose to to see that FA is treated fairly.....or just to make it appear that way........


But not to worry, I understand that he will also be in charge of serving refreshments.....choices of grape, cherry, pink or other colors, with just a touch of wood alcohol, of...................... well you know :beer:

"Never fear, Ham, Scrutineer is here"

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Originally Posted by markabilly

:beer: Guess i should have said "something real stupid", and given the "official whatever is he gonna do scrutineer"....they are off to an excellent start for this race....

And for all you anti-Hamilton or pro FA fans, what makes you think that the real purpose to to see that FA is treated fairly.....or just to make it appear that way........


But not to worry, I understand that he will also be in charge of serving refreshments.....choices of grape, cherry, pink or other colors, with just a touch of wood alcohol, of...................... well you know :beer:

"Never fear, Ham, Scrutineer is here"

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As we all know the one thing that sets the Grand Prix of Brazil apart from all other GP's are the Brazilian Pit Babes! T__'s, head, and shoulders above the rest! Now they are something that could easily coerce me to sip the Kool-Aid. And given a little quality time with one, or two before hand I would die a happy man.
Not only that but I truly would be an impartial screwtineer

As I posted on the other thread:"Can you imagine the FIA going to Ferrari, while Michael Schumacher was at the helm, and insisting that his No.2 Rubens Barrichello or Eddie Irvine, was accorded the same privileges and that both men had to race on an equal footing?"

Wow! I leave for a few days vacation with the family and I come back to this weird mess! A couple of questions have come to mind:

1. Who is this FIA official and does he know every little detail about setting up a McLaren including engine mapping, programming traction control, chassis set-up, etc. Why don't they send Nigel Stepney? FA and LH don't have exactly the same set-up since their driving styles vary. Will LH be forced to use FA's exact setup?

2. If the scenario arises where FA takes LH out at the first corner, will this official say that it was a mechanical failure on FA's car caused by the team?

3. Aren't team orders much less messy than all this stuff? Yeah, there might have been a bit of a rumble when MH was favored over DC, or MS over RB and EI, or even EI being gifted a win by Mika Salo, but all that was plainly obvious to all fans and FIA officials alike. The team orders Ferrari had for MS were nothing compared to this total fiasco!

Sniffpetrol has made it's opinion on the matter quite clear I see. :D

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Originally Posted by markabilly

You refer to team orders rule---something I have never understood as being logically enforced by FIA, (as with a million other things that are FIA, common logic has nothing to do with nothing)

The rule seems to be that team orders affecting outcome of race are okay, unless they produce a public display that makes it seem that the orders are affecting the outcome of a race or one of the drivers makes a big public fuss, making it bad for the sport

In other words, it is okay to quietly arrange pit stops, etc., so that they affect the race outcome or permit a teamamate to get ahead, but it is NOT OKAY to have the paddle man hold a car for too long while the other driver sits behind and then later fusses--even in qualifying, after the other driver broke team orders as to who was to do what---I guess that is not quiet enough. It is not okay to have one driver sit in pit stall to keep other driver out, if the other driver fusses loudly enough.......

It is NOT okay to have a teamate pass another teamate on the last corner per team orders where everyone can see it....but earlier in the race, if done without being too public, it is okay and it is okay to tell a team mate to back off another team mate (or so it seems) again as long as there is no big public fuss...

Please do not respond that such a rule makes no sense, is subjective and so forth, but that seems to be the "real rules" behind the team order rule..... :rolleyes:

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Yep, it is a very ambiguous rule.

I’ve always thought that the purpose of "no team orders" rule was to avoid obvious displays of favouratism; specifically to avoid further on-track incidents like the Schumacher – Barrichello one in Austria.

Another thought - the FIA want to ensure that Hamilton isn't favoured over Alonso - this is after a) allowing Hamilton to be craned back onto the track under pretty dubious circumstances, and b) penalising Alonso 5 places for holding up Hamilton in the pits. Looks to me like it's the FIA that have been favouring Hamilton.

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Yep, it is a very ambiguous rule.

I’ve always thought that the purpose of "no team orders" rule was to avoid obvious displays of favouratism; specifically to avoid further on-track incidents like the Schumacher – Barrichello one in Austria.

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It is. But because they need to try and avoid "loopholes", the rule is formulated in a vague way. Please refer to my signature for more conclusions ;) :p :