:laugh: There's a sucker born every minute. If not in Spain, then some place else.Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
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:laugh: There's a sucker born every minute. If not in Spain, then some place else.Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
could you explain the honour he died with???Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
The butcher of Bagdad should have had his body sewn into a hog, incinerated, and the ashes dropped on the desert by an F-117. As one Iraqi witness said, he now joins the garbage of history.
Their is no honor in either the life of death of the butcher of Bagdad. Perhaps they should have executed him the way his son killed the innocent -- with a log chipper. Those he "liked" went headfirst, those he didn't went feet first.Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
Ahhhh, the moderate voice of American reason :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by agwiii
I have no love or respect for the man and couldn't give a monkeys that he is dead. However, I find views like this on mutilation and torture frankly quite disturbing. It's quite shocking that the actions that lead the world to be outraged by Saddam and his Cronies are wanting to be replicated by people that were not affected by the mans regime. This is just bloodthirsty, sensationalism at it's worst.
He is dead. Leave it at that can't you :(
Quite right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
These bloodthirsty individuals have no place on what is essentially a family forum.
Only the other week some deranged sociopath was putting forward the premise that the innocent bloke who liked custard and who was pulled in by the law on suspicion of murdering East Anglian prositutes should be burned face down in his cell just on the off chance that he might have done it.
It is my considered opinion that all like minded swivel eyed scum who bandy about twisted opinions such as these should be burned face down in their cells before drowning them in a bucket in case they're still alive.
Yours faithfully
Jonny Wilkinson
Intensive Orthapaedic Ward
Hospital
Did you see the video ? if yes...I don't need to explain ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
I like how Howard said he got a fair trial and justice was served. I bet David Hicks is envious.
There was a sensational opinion article about Iraq and Saddam's hanging in the SMH a few days ago, by Bob Ellis. Have the patience to read this letter by a Former Prime Ministerial speechwriter. Take the time to read it.
The freedoms we're fighting for but not allowed to have
January 1, 2007
It's fair to say, I think, that the freedom we fought for was evident in our view of the last moments of Saddam Hussein.
He was free to wear a hood, and chose not to. He was free to speak to his captors, but we were not free to hear what he said. He was free, I suppose, to make a mighty speech, but we were not free to hear it. His black-hooded executioners were free to conceal their identities, but he, in the last five minutes of his life, was allowed no similar privacy.
We did not see him drop, his neck break, his neat suit fecally stained, nor the vengeful witnesses dance around his body, spitting on it if they did, kicking it if they did. Nor did we hear the irreligious hullabaloo that preceded the drop, the interruption of his final prayers by guards who mockingly duplicated his words and added to them his enemy's name, "Moqtada! Moqtada!" and pulled the lever before his final, accepting yielding up to death was finished.
So what Iraq's new "freedom" gave us this time round was the censored version of the killing of a man, a man still on trial for other crimes, a man who in almost any other jurisdiction would not have been killed at all; certainly not on the holiest day of the Sunni calendar, the equivalent of breaking George Bush's neck on Christmas morning.
Rarely do we witness, with warning, the last moments of a life. These were pretty surprising. No rage, no railing, no sermonising, no physical struggle. A courteous, mild exchange about the black scarf he must wear. An accompanied walk to the drop, with the posture of a professor approaching a lectern in another town. And then, of course, what we in our freedom were not allowed to see.
These images will either change world history or they will not. It depends a bit on how many Americans watch them over and over and how many watch, instead, the funeral of the former US president Gerald Ford. But those who do will imagine, surely, how Bush might have behaved on a similar gallows, and the physical struggle, hortatory tears and loud pleadings while his captors held him down.
They may ask, too, a simple, arithmetical question: if a head of state can hang by the neck until he is dead for having ordered, or countenanced, or signed off on, or not punished, or failed to countermand the torture and killing of 148 Iraqis guiltless of any great crime, what will happen to the generals, bureaucrats, prime ministers and heads of state who ordered, or countenanced, or signed off on, or did not punish, or did not countermand, the killing of 150,000 Iraqis guiltless of any great crime (this is now the Iraqi Government's estimate of the dead) and the torture of ten thousand more of them in Abu Ghraib? And how many Americans - Bremmer, Abizaid, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, Bush - should on this precedent be charged and hanged?
They may also ask, as many legal experts have, how much was fair about a trial in which three of the defence lawyers were shot dead and those who survived forbidden to see the prosecution's written testimony before it was unveiled in court, and only those parts of the proceedings the Government liked were telecast - lest Saddam "grandstand" his cause and gain followers. And how wrong it was this trial was not aborted, and another trial begun in The Hague.
They may ask as well why Saddam died so soon. Something to do, perhaps, with his coming genocide trials and the complicity of Germany, France, the US and Britain in the manufacture of his nerve gas, anthrax, cluster bombs and helicopter gunships, and his amiable business relationships with Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush snr, once head of the CIA, in past decades, and how his genocidal methods back then did not greatly annoy them, not so long as he paid his bills.
And these are the freedoms we fought for. The freedom to ask, and not be told - lest we encourage terrorists - what really happened, and who was in the loop when it happened. Such were the freedoms Nixon encouraged in Chile when he helped Pinochet to censor, torture and kill those inconvenient to the many, many secrets America wanted to keep.
These are the freedoms we fought for, and will now defend in Iraq for decades if Bush and Howard, brothers-in-arms for "freedom", get their way.
In Saddam's hanging we saw them all at once.
Alive or still smoldering. They sound like a fire hazard.Quote:
Originally Posted by oily oaf
Christ not another Health and Safety in the Workplace zealot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Blimey you cant even drown people in a bucket these days without some self important....................(mutter, whinge) :angryfire