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9th March 2013, 22:46
ioan

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

As for lesbians, they seem to be much more accepted by society from what I've been witness to. There is gentle ribbing now and then, but no different to guys mocking other guys for getting off with an ugly girl or something. This gender divide is really interesting, and not sure why it is present, but lesbianism is definitely seen as far more normal and even trendy as you say. I know very few girls at Uni who haven't tried it at least once. I know no straight guys who have 'experimented'. Why the difference?

First thing that springs to mind is the difference in the sexual act.
I might be wrong though.
9th March 2013, 23:14
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I don't mind Slowsons opinion at all. It's refreshing to have someone that is honest in their views even though they fly in the face of what is considered acceptable.

Why is it 'refreshing'? I don't know anyone on here who isn't honest in their views, no matter what they might be. In no way do I consider his contribution refreshing.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I have 2 boys and a daughter. I would prefer they grow up heterosexual as that's what I am.

In more detail, why the preference?
9th March 2013, 23:42
steveaki13

I am not a father, so I dont really have that parental instinct so I dont know how it would feel, but maybe it is just a wish to see your children have offspring of their own and continue the family tree.

The whole proccess of Life (as a whole) is to continue the species and pass on your genes.

Could be that.

As for me, I look at the world and see overcrowding and think as of now, I may prefer to help control numbers by not having children. Who knows though. I often wonder why it is that people see this as a strange view.

Afterall we are all allowed to decide our own reasons and lives.
10th March 2013, 00:09
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

The whole proccess of Life (as a whole) is to continue the species and pass on your genes.

Really? Seems a rather narrow, soulless definition to me.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

As for me, I look at the world and see overcrowding and think as of now, I may prefer to help control numbers by not having children. Who knows though. I often wonder why it is that people see this as a strange view.

Fair enough, but I don't see sexuality as really coming into this. After all, it's not a choice.
10th March 2013, 00:40
steveaki13

When I say Life. I mean Life (animals, plants, fungi) The whole existance of life is to continue the species.

I do not mean Life as in a persons Life. As the individuals choice is to do whatever they wish. travel, love, learn.

There is a difference.

My second point you highlighted was just a point that people should be left to enjoy, make decisions and live there life as they choose. Not directly about Homophobia
10th March 2013, 00:52
pettersolberg29

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Also, I perfectly understand Zico. I have 2 boys and a daughter. I would prefer they grow up heterosexual as that's what I am. I would also prefer they support England Rugby, McLaren and Spurs but if they don't, then I won't love them any less. I suppose we all cast a shadow and hope our offspring share the same values.

Just human nature I suppose?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

In more detail, why the preference?

Surely you can understand this, you seem like a smart man! In no way is being gay 'worse', but I want my children to love motorsport, want them to be successful and likewise want them to be straight. If not then as Knock-On says I won't love them less, but it's just personal preference because that's what I am and it'll make us have more in common etc. It's like saying I hope they support Arsenal cos all of the people round here support Arsenal and if he becomes a Spurs fan he'll be mocked, possibly bullied - likewise you hope someone is straight because that's the norm in society and will give them an easy life. If though they are gay then it makes no difference, just makes their life a bit harder (rightly or wrongly) due to small-minded individuals around.

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Originally Posted by ioan

First thing that springs to mind is the difference in the sexual act.
I might be wrong though.

Very true, there is a huge difference in the imagery of both - and one bing more 'delicate' and less penetrative perhaps explains why it is more accepted.
10th March 2013, 04:34
Starter

http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Dave B http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...post-right.png
Words fail me. That is all.

Posted at 17:39 my local time:

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Originally Posted by ioan

You're not the only one.

Posted at 17:46 my local time:

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Originally Posted by ioan

First thing that springs to mind is the difference in the sexual act.
I might be wrong though.

I think the failure failed. :p :
10th March 2013, 05:08
keysersoze

What I want to know is why a person who is a follower of any of the world's major religions (all of which condemn homosexuality) have to tolerate being called a hater because of those beliefs? My religion provides me a code of behavior yet also demands that I not be judgmental. Some here may think that notion is inherently paradoxical, but I don't think so. I think a person may reject such an act (in their heart) yet not be guilty of judging others.

Frankly, labeling someone as "homophobic" is a brilliant tactic to try to control & judge others. It cuts no ice with me, but over time I see how the liberal elite have attempted to quell any discourse by exploiting this term.
10th March 2013, 05:30
EuroTroll

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Why is it 'refreshing'? I don't know anyone on here who isn't honest in their views, no matter what they might be. In no way do I consider his contribution refreshing.

I think what Knock-on is saying is that the conversation would be duller if everyone agreed. And since many people hold SlowSon's view anyway, isn't it good that one such person actually has the guts to come out with it, so it can be discussed?

Am I right Knockers? :p
10th March 2013, 05:43
EuroTroll

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

What I want to know is why a person who is a follower of any of the world's major religions (all of which condemn homosexuality) have to tolerate being called a hater because of those beliefs? My religion provides me a code of behavior yet also demands that I not be judgmental. Some here may think that notion is inherently paradoxical, but I don't think so. I think a person may reject such an act (in their heart) yet not be guilty of judging others.

I think the problem is that many religious people not only follow their code of conduct (which is fine IMO), but also demand that others follow it (which isn't fine IMO), and vocally condemn any dissent from what they think is right. In the extreme, they actually hate those who do something they consider wrong, and therefore the "hater" label is appropriate.

Of course, this doesn't apply to all religious people, and the reality that all religious people tend to get painted with the same brush is unfortunate.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Frankly, labeling someone as "homophobic" is a brilliant tactic to try to control & judge others. It cuts no ice with me, but over time I see how the liberal elite have attempted to quell any discourse by exploiting this term.

Well, the evil liberal elite of your country isn't here - as far as I'm aware - so you're free to discourse. ;)

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