another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by DBell

For this saying the US should ban guns outright, that is a pure fantasy. Repealing an amendment is very difficult and in the current climate of the country, near impossible. It is just not going to happen. So rather than going over the right to guns debate here for the zillionth time, how about ideas that could really make a difference? Ideology arguments on this is not going to make any difference.

How about we invest money in schools to make them secure so that someone wearing armor and armed with guns is stopped before he gets into the building. My wife is a elementary school teacher and she says that secondary doors at her school that are supposed to be locked from the outside are routinely left open to make it easier for people to get around the buildings. There is a lot of blame to go around in this type of situation and I'm wondering if this was the case on how the gunman entered the school. It would take a substantial investment by governments to take the security steps needed for schools to be safer and education always seems to get the short end of the stick when it comes to funding.

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Great, turn schools into fortified prisons, it will be easier and cheaper then getting rid of an idiotic amendment. Right?
Well the whole US has been fortified against the outer world with walls and laws which the rest of the world finds laughable. Now you want to start fortifying everything inside the US and add to the already reigning level of paranoia that has been instated during the last 20 years or so.

Getting rid of the guns is the way to go if you really want to get rid of these shootings, hell even the world shooting that you all use to describe these events is pointing to the problem. How many more people have to die before you brainwashed zombies finally get the point?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I think recent events have shown sections of the media to be laws unto themselves, quite honestly. Perhaps more to blame are the consumers who lap it all up.

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Yep, but you can't outlaw stupidity.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Consider this. Why on earth should such draconian steps ever be necessary? The notion of such security being required at European schools is laughable. Why? Because, despite isolated (far more so than in the US) tragic incidents, it is not called for. If it is in the US, you have a different problem than just school security, surely?

Your response is rather like suggesting that women should wear suits of armour to prevent rape.

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It just goes to show how incrusted in the US citizen's thoughts is the idea that they are constantly in danger and that they absolutely need guns to protect themselves.
IMO they have got to the point where only huge catastrophes can change their 'minds'. A rather sad state of things.

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Originally Posted by DBell

Fine. Prattle on about your ideology about gun ownership and so forth as you wish. All it is is talk that won't make a bit of difference to the problem. I don't see why having a security checkpoint before you are able to enter a school is something laughable. Your comparison is certainly laughable. But hey, don't let me intrude on your debate about ideology and beliefs. It seems to be what many posters in this section live for.

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Sure sure, you are right and everyone else is wrong because they do not agree with running around armed to the teeth and with being checked every time they enter a building.
Can you imagine the time it would take kids to get in their classrooms every morning due to having to be checked one by one at the entry to their school?!
Do you want kids to grow up with the idea/reality that security checks everywhere are a part of their normal rights?
You call this freedom?!

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Originally Posted by ioan

It just goes to show how incrusted in the US citizen's thoughts is the idea that they are constantly in danger and that they absolutely need guns to protect themselves.
IMO they have got to the point where only huge catastrophes can change their 'minds'. A rather sad state of things.

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The sad truth is that, in relation to this particular debate, the sense of danger leading to the perceived need for the possession of firearms seems only to be furthered by huge catastrophes. It's self-perpetuating. I cannot imagine being in a state of mind involving such paranoia.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

This is nuts.

And as for gun sales being in danger right now of lowering their sales - au contraire - gun sales go up.

Gun Sales In 2012 Set Record, FBI Data Indicates

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This is the saddest part, these deaths will turn into gun sales. The election did the same thing. I spoke with a A local gun dealer (town of 50,000 people) and the day before election day their store did $20,000 in gun sales, election day was $9000, and the day after was $50,000. It could never happen but people here honestly believe that their guns will be taken from them.

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Originally Posted by TyPat107

This is the saddest part, these deaths will turn into gun sales. The election did the same thing. I spoke with a A local gun dealer (town of 50,000 people) and the day before election day their store did $20,000 in gun sales, election day was $9000, and the day after was $50,000. It could never happen but people here honestly believe that their guns will be taken from them.

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Paranoia: there is no other word for it.

If gun control was ever going to be increased in the US it would have already happened. This event, sadly, won't make a difference just as the many that preceded it didn't make a difference.

The US has a dependency on guns in the same way that a smoker has a dependency on tobacco. Going cold turkey is far too hard and likely to fail. A better solution is to ween the addict off their addiction. Does the sacred cow that is the Second Amendment prevent the government from placing extremely high taxes on guns? Use economics to lessen demand by making guns so expensive that their sales drop. People will still have the right to bear arms, they just won't be able to afford to do so. Maybe even use the taxes collected to fund gun buy-back schemes and soon enough the number of guns in the country will diminish.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Race the problem is much deeper that guns. If you take the guns they will use explosives like in the middle east and parts of EU. First check in all of these horrific events should be a thorough investigation of drug usage especially meth. Remember Race guns are banned in Mexico - 60,000 dead because we want drugs. I hope we get a very good report on this cowards background.

I pray for the families

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Fousto, I just don't know what the answer is. I might take a different view in that I don't think the guy was a coward - I think he had very serious mental issues, something that I thought even before I saw his picture and read about his Aspergers syndrome. I do have to ask here :was his problem magnified by playing violent computer games? Because the guy was dressed in combat fatigues and he had three very powerful and efficient firearms.

Like everyone here, I do feel for the families. Sadly, the mass shooting problem in the USA will not be resolved - not in my lifetime. :(

Guns are for killing, simple as that. Maybe someone can explain to me why nearly half the population of the USA feel the need to kill.