And none of them had definitive evidence of contact.....none!Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
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And none of them had definitive evidence of contact.....none!Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
My memory maybe lyin' to me, but didn't we see the rear of Josef's car twitch to the right from contact? I guess the reality is that all we saw was the result and not the actual contact, so in that light you might be right, actual contact was not seen. But EVIDENCE of contact was seen. And that may be why the decision was made to not call it.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Gary
Did Dario hit JN? probably!Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
Is there any 100% proof? Unless Dario was to confess over the radio then No.
No proof. no foul!
Yes, I see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Gary
Contact or no contact -- no penalty. Did Dario initiate the pass -- no. Did Dario blatantly or maliciously run Newgarden out of room -- no judgement could possibly made on that. It can't be judged any other way than being a racing incident. Do you folks want penalties called every time these guys bump? If so than I want penalties called even when contact is made but no race is spoiled or positions lost. I want a penalty box! That's the racing you want? Let's hire Chris Kneifel as an assistant to Barfield because these guys will be busy.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
That sounds harsher than I meant it to be but the point I'm trying to convey is there.
From Pagenaud's airbox camera it looked like Dario didn't hit that apex as close as Pagenaud and everyone else did. Everyone's left front tire was all over the candy cane stripes. It looked like the edge of Dario's left front tire just touched the stripes on the edge instead of going over the stripes.
On the other hand, Dario was on the inside and maybe couldn't have held a tighter apex through that turn.
They said they only looked at 2 angles of the contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
The video angle I saw in the highlights on YouTube clearly, let me repeat that, clearly show Dario hit Newgarden.Quote:
Chief steward Beaux Barfield said his race stewards, including former drivers Arie Luyendyk and Johnny Unser, told him the two camera angles available to them were “inconclusive.”
Only 2 available at that time from the NBC feed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nem14
I have seen many different angles on YouTube as well and have yet see one that shows Dario "Clearly" hitting JN. If you would be so kind as to post the link to that video it would be most appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nem14
Newgarden's left rear wheel guard was knocked off. However, I'm not sure if the right one breaking off at the tire barrier had anything to do with it. From what I've seen, it's one long plane/plank connecting both rear wheel guards.
View from Pagenaud's airbox begins around 1:43 in the following YouTube clip:
Veja a largada da etapa de Long Beach - YouTube
Upon watching again, I think the impact of the right rear guard with the tire barrier also ripped off the left rear guard.