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6th February 2012, 18:18
jens

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I've said it before and I'll say it again — many of your remarks on the F1 forum make you look rather foolish, something you are emphatically not.

So what is the solution? The only way to 'improve' others is to show good gentlemanly behaviour by ourselves instead of shooting them down and going with personal attacks. :) I know you like to comment on Ioan, but it can certainly be done from different points of view - in a positive and thus inspiring fashion.
6th February 2012, 18:25
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by jens

So what is the solution? The only way to 'improve' others is to show good gentlemanly behaviour by ourselves instead of shooting them down and going with personal attacks. :) I know you like to comment on Ioan, but it can certainly be done from different points of view - in a positive and thus inspiring fashion.

I think my reference to him being far from a fool is suitably positive and inspiring.
7th February 2012, 08:15
The Black Knight

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Originally Posted by henners88

When the police attended the incident when it first happened, they would have got statements off everyone who witnessed the attack. Lewis offered a statement to the court when his lawyer contacted them after not actually being formally contacted by Sutil's lawyer, so I would say he offered as much information as he was obliged to do. I can't really see what is being debated here as we don't know fully what happened in the nightclub, or what Adrian is unhappy about? I also don't understand why this thread has gone in down the avenue of analysing Hamilton's part in all this? Pedro de la Rosa was also present with Lewis and Adrian and like Lewis he also declined to appear in court. I can understand there is some upset from Sutil because Lewis is his friend but in the context of this debate where some are trying to predict the events, then why not give Pedro abit of consideration too? Asking Lewis to 'come clean' regarding events which are unclear to us fans is abit silly IMO. He's preparing for a new season and doesn't need this distraction and I don't blame him for not explaining things that don't concern him at what is a very busy time for any driver on the grid.

To answer your question: A thread is not a REAL thread until there is some proper Lewis bashing. You go through all the threads here and any opportunity the Lewis haters have they jump on it aside from one or two people whom are offering an objective opinion on it. Lewis has done nothing wrong but you'll always have those that will get on his case. This is the same with all great drivers of the past. People used to try to get on Schumacher's case too. It's just another thing Lewis has in common with the greats - he's the most talked about and controversial driver amongst fans :s mokin:
7th February 2012, 08:18
The Black Knight

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Originally Posted by ioan

He didn't see Trulli either a few years back, nor did he see Massa on a few occasions last season, why would he see some less important stuff like too people havin' a fight right beside him?
Oh wait, he already threw some people under the bus in the past. :s

Schumacher didn't see Villeneuve in 97, Hill in 94 or Montoya in Imola 04... and the list goes on.
7th February 2012, 09:03
F1boat

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Schumacher didn't see Villeneuve in 97, Hill in 94 or Montoya in Imola 04... and the list goes on.

View your previous post, dear Sir.
7th February 2012, 09:09
The Black Knight

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Originally Posted by F1boat

View your previous post, dear Sir.

I'm aware of the inherent contradiction but I'm actually a big Schumacher fan. I'm not bashing him, I'm trying to point out ioan's bias to him and open his eyes a little so he can see that plenty of drivers, including Schuey, have used the "I didn't see him" excuse and sometimes it is just that, they didn't see.
7th February 2012, 13:25
Bagwan

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Originally Posted by henners88

When the police attended the incident when it first happened, they would have got statements off everyone who witnessed the attack. Lewis offered a statement to the court when his lawyer contacted them after not actually being formally contacted by Sutil's lawyer, so I would say he offered as much information as he was obliged to do. I can't really see what is being debated here as we don't know fully what happened in the nightclub, or what Adrian is unhappy about? I also don't understand why this thread has gone in down the avenue of analysing Hamilton's part in all this? Pedro de la Rosa was also present with Lewis and Adrian and like Lewis he also declined to appear in court. I can understand there is some upset from Sutil because Lewis is his friend but in the context of this debate where some are trying to predict the events, then why not give Pedro abit of consideration too? Asking Lewis to 'come clean' regarding events which are unclear to us fans is abit silly IMO. He's preparing for a new season and doesn't need this distraction and I don't blame him for not explaining things that don't concern him at what is a very busy time for any driver on the grid.

Sutil and his dad aren't angry with Pedro , so perhaps he didn't see it happen . I haven't seen any reports of him being seated beside Adrian , as Lewis was .
Your scenario with the police getting statements actually fits perfectly with the premise that Lewis may have lied in these initial interviews .

It would be reason enough to dump a friend in it , so as not to perjure himself .
It would be good reason to call him a coward , from the Sutils's point of view .
7th February 2012, 13:27
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Sutil and his dad aren't angry with Pedro , so perhaps he didn't see it happen . I haven't seen any reports of him being seated beside Adrian , as Lewis was .
Your scenario with the police getting statements actually fits perfectly with the premise that Lewis may have lied in these initial interviews .

It would be reason enough to dump a friend in it , so as not to perjure himself .
It would be good reason to call him a coward , from the Sutils's point of view .

Perhaps it's because he is ............................................
7th February 2012, 16:03
Bagwan

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Originally Posted by henners88

I wouldn't expect anything other than a list of negative assumptions from yourself bagwan and I can't understand why you didn't just say that in the first place rather than hinting and attempting to dress it up as a reasonable debate. You appear to have made you mind up here regardless of whether there is any evidence to support it or not. I feel offering less sinister explanations is rather pointless now.

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We have been on opposite sides in Hamilton debate before , and it would seem fair to say the very opposite about your argument here .

Your assertion that they would have recorded statements from those involved prompted my last remark .
I had previously understood the the "Sutil group" had left the scene , and would , therefore , have been un-available for statement at that time .

I am perfectly willing to accept a "less sinister" explanation .

Simply , the situation does not seem to fit with the amount of malice the the Sutils are showing , if it's just a matter of Adrian being mad that Lewis wouldn't hold his hand during the trial .

Explain to me why Lewis was branded a "coward" here .
Why would not showing up be "pathetic" or make him "not a man" ?
Those are strong words , and rather more than one would expect used towards one not attending a friend's trial , if moral support was all he was asking for .

Make sense of it for me .
7th February 2012, 16:13
Dave B

My goodness I've rarely seen such supposition and conjecture outside of the Daily Mail website :s

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