4 degrees of camber

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Exactly, and because all the tyres were doing it, we can't really say for sure whether RBR's tyres were actually that bad compared to others

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OK - rephrase that. Only the Red Bulls were blistering the tyre in such a short space of time - Vettel radioed after about 5 or 6 laps that the tyres were heavily marked.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

They didn't go beyond the physical limitations of the tyre. If they had the tyres would have failed. RBR took a calculated risk, crapped themselves and ended up winning.

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Ok I'll rephrase. They nearly went beyond the physical limitations of the tyre and put both their drivers lives at risk in doing that. It worked out well for them in the end but that doesn't mean it was a stupid thing to do. Obviously they were ****ting themsevles because they brought both their drivers in so early. It could have ended up in disaster as easily as it ended up in a win. A team should never put either of their drivers in that position.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

Mclaren's tires were blistering, too, and RBR finished 1-2. So if RBR is stupid, what does that make mclaren?

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McLaren didn't get their fannies in knots over it. They got on with the job. They knew their tyres would last.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Ok I'll rephrase. They nearly went beyond the physical limitations of the tyre and put both their drivers lives at risk in doing that. It worked out well for them in the end but that doesn't mean it was a stupid thing to do. Obviously they were ****ting themsevles because they brought both their drivers in so early. It could have ended up in disaster as easily as it ended up in a win. A team should never put either of their drivers in that position.

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With all due respect, neither you nor I know how close the RBR's were to having a tyre failure so to make it look like they only just got away with it is probably untrue.

I think I may have mentioned it half a dozen times so far, but NONE of us know how damaged the tyres were and whether the damage was to anything other than just the tread or whether the carcass was compromised.

You can keep on going on about it, but you have no actual knowledge as to whether the tyres were close to failing or not :laugh:

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

McLaren didn't get their fannies in knots over it. They got on with the job. They knew their tyres would last.

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No-one knows if a tyre will last - tyres fail for many different reasons. The point perhaps here is that McLaren, along with all other teams bar Red Bull, kept to or within Pirelli's stated maximum camber angle.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

OK - rephrase that. Only the Red Bulls were blistering the tyre in such a short space of time - Vettel radioed after about 5 or 6 laps that the tyres were heavily marked.

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More camber will do that of couse, the question is whether or not they were close to a failure or not. We simply don't know.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

No-one knows if a tyre will last - tyres fail for many different reasons. The point perhaps here is that McLaren, along with all other teams bar Red Bull, kept to or within Pirelli's stated maximum camber angle.

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Whitmarsh said they were confident their tyres would last and that's why they didn't get up in arms over it. Tyres can blow up for no reason at anytime but it's all about ones own confidence level. I have no idea what McLaren's camber angle was so it's specualation to say whether they were over it or not. I'd imagine they weren't and if they were, I'd imagine that they did so confident that their tyres would last which is why they weren't bothered about it.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

No-one knows if a tyre will last - tyres fail for many different reasons. The point perhaps here is that McLaren, along with all other teams bar Red Bull, kept to or within Pirelli's stated maximum camber angle.

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Completely agree. Sadly I think The Black Knight seems to want to put the boot into RBR for some strange reason and to do so feels the need to make out that the RBR drivers were in grave danger when we simply don't know how bad the tyres actually were.........

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Whitmarsh said they were confident their tyres would last and that's why they didn't get up in arms over it. Tyres can blow up for no reason at anytime but it's all about ones own confidence level. I have no idea what McLaren's camber angle was so it's specualation to say whether they were over it or not. I'd imagine they weren't and if they were, I'd imagine that they did so confident that their tyres would last which is why they weren't bothered about it.

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Completely agree. That must be why McLaren asked for a new set of tyres :rolleyes: :laugh: :rotflmao:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

With all due respect, neither you nor I know how close the RBR's were to having a tyre failure so to make it look like they only just got away with it is probably untrue.

I think I may have mentioned it half a dozen times so far, but NONE of us know how damaged the tyres were and whether the damage was to anything other than just the tread or whether the carcass was compromised.

You can keep on going on about it, but you have no actual knowledge as to whether the tyres were close to failing or not :laugh:

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Given Adrian Newey's relived experession at the end of the race and his now famous I'm happy to see you two comment to his drivers at the end of the race... what would you conclude?