Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

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Originally Posted by cali

I'm afraid that from now on things can get only worse and it's not a time time to celebrate yet. Funny to see people on the streets and celebrate someones death. Pretty ironic to me and it shows how much the western population does not have a glue about what they are really facing. Monsters head has been cut off, but it has made him even more angry

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That someone happens to be responsible for the death on thousands of people. People seem to have forgotten that he was, indirectly at least, behind an attack where ordinary people like me and you were flown into skyscrapers for no real reason whatsoever. Fight against terrorism or crime that matter will never end but that is not a reason to stop fighting. They cheered because they thought justice was done. Having said that, I wouldn't celebrate anyone's death but I can sort of understand why they did it.

To me it seems that Americans can never do anything right. Whatever they do, they are always criticised.

Edit: The best thing about this whole matter is the fact that Obama might be re-elected because of this.

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Originally Posted by harsha

Nah , most of the pakistan territory with the exception of territory alongside AfPak border is under the control of Zardari...They've really controlled the Pakistani Taliban of late too...Balochistan is only one problem , one which had existed ever since the Ind-Pak Partition. That and the lack of resources allocated to Balochistan have exaggerated matters.

Pakistan has a known history of shielding Terrorists....1)Dawood Ibrahim , wanted for the Mumbai blasts, Safe Haven in pakistan. 2)the planners of the Mumbai attacks 3)the LeT guys who are arrested, released and still go about their business

and needless to say that the Pakistani Government has a habit of pointing fingers at anyone or any country when it wants to , The accusations of India supporting Baluch rebels may or may not be true , but Pakistani sponsored Terrorism has cost India much more lives. Pakistan is probably the one country which is the major irritant in world politics at the moment , They've got a nuke , they train terrorists and the US gives them funds to fight the very terrorists that they train...go figure

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While I don't think Pakistan is responsible for half of what India claims it is (the scale of Indian claims, if true would make the ISI easily the most capable intelligence service in the world bar none and the Indians incompetent beyond belief) they certainly are playing a dangerous game.

I don't know whether Pakistan actually knew about OBL's location though I agree with you about LeT etc etc. There are strong reasons why Pakistan wouldn't have wanted him on their soil at all being a hot potato, and he wouldn't have been as useful as the tribes in the NW territories for enforcing control in Afghanistan afgter a US withdrawal.

There are elements within the Pakistani military and intelligence that are pro-Western too, I don't think OBL would have risked his future security on which faction of the military gained control at any one time in case they sold him out to the US as part of a power struggle.

I'm sure we'll find out more in coming days.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

That someone happens to be responsible for the death on thousands of people. People seem to have forgotten that he was, indirectly at least, behind an attack where ordinary people like me and you were flown into skyscrapers for no real reason whatsoever. Fight against terrorism or crime that matter will never end but that is not a reason to stop fighting. They cheered because they thought justice was done. Having said that, I wouldn't celebrate anyone's death but I can sort of understand why they did it.

To me it seems that Americans can never do anything right. Whatever they do, they are always criticised.

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Let's go back back a bit and look into history books and dig deeper into reasons of these attacks ;) They surely did not come out of nothing. There's always a reason for a consequence and this circle now is coming around again. I wish we could get along without all this hate and bloodshed which is generated by greed, racism, religion etc. No reason to be happy about current situation, eventhough someone with responsible for many lives has been eliminated

point being Dylan that Pakistan seems to not view attacks on India as terrorist activities. You can only play the victim card so long.

US Supported Pakistan over India cause in the 70's , India was increasingly close to the Soviets without being an ally. But then i suppose that America, despite being the savior of democracy chose to support a dictatorship rather than a democracy. US is a lot to blame for the state that Pakistan is in nowadays , They fund the Taliban against the Soviets.

India as such has heard just about enough of the double talk from Pakistan , Them continually contradicting themselves don't give a good vibe that they wanna smoke the peace pipe....IIRC , they were ministers in the Pakistani governments claiming the Indians to be responsible for the floods in Pakistan which occured a couple of years back.

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Originally Posted by cali

Let's go back back a bit and look into history books and dig deeper into reasons of these attacks ;) They surely did not come out of nothing. There's always a reason for a consequence and this circle now is coming around again. I wish we could get along without all this hate and bloodshed which is generated by greed, racism, religion etc. No reason to be happy about current situation, eventhough someone with responsible for many lives has been eliminated

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They did to people who were sitting in the planes, they had absolutely nothing to do with anything. I know there are always reasons behind everything but I was just talking about people being happy because they felt they got justice. That is understandable.

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Originally Posted by harsha

point being Dylan that Pakistan seems to not view attacks on India as terrorist activities. You can only play the victim card so long.

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The saddest thing about Pakistan is that it views those attacks on India as some kind of affirmation that the two countries are equals of some sort in a perverse way. The Pakistani military/intelligence doesn't seem capable of realising that India is becoming an important member of the international community now because of its rapid economic development and that in the future terrorist attacks like on Mumbai will be treated not as a sub-continent problem but an international one. Not only that but they need to realise that devoting your country merely to fighting another is useless, real power comes from economic development.

Meanwhile the Pakistani politicians are more interested in seeing how they can use government as an extension of their own bank accounts.

I pity the US and UK governments that have to deal with Pakistan as an equal because some cooperation in the NW territories is better than none.

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Originally Posted by harsha

point being Dylan that Pakistan seems to not view attacks on India as terrorist activities. You can only play the victim card so long.

US Supported Pakistan over India cause in the 70's , India was increasingly close to the Soviets without being an ally. But then i suppose that America, despite being the savior of democracy chose to support a dictatorship rather than a democracy. US is a lot to blame for the state that Pakistan is in nowadays , They fund the Taliban against the Soviets.

India as such has heard just about enough of the double talk from Pakistan , Them continually contradicting themselves don't give a good vibe that they wanna smoke the peace pipe....IIRC , they were ministers in the Pakistani governments claiming the Indians to be responsible for the floods in Pakistan which occured a couple of years back.

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That's an incredibly biased and shortsighted view of things. Should the US have not funded the Taliban and allowed Afghanistan to fall? Countries like China and Russia are fine to deal with at a distance when they're selling you arms and so on, but if they're just next door it's not such a good thing......

I think as with the issues that the UK and US have had with Islamic extremists you've got to separate the people of Pakistan from the actions of a few unless there is concrete proof that the govt is behind any attacks or else you run the risk of radicalising people as the war on terror did with many mainstream muslims after Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201105/r760252_6382385.jpg

How often do we think that Fox have made "mistakes" with their captions over the past 18 odd hours? I found six whilst watching telly yesterday.

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Didnt BBC make the same mistake?

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Originally Posted by Eki

They've been showing celebrating Americans on TV today. That reminded me of the celebrating Palestinians after the 9/11 attacks. Both equally petty and distasteful IMO. Death of human beings isn't a cause for celebration (nor is death of animals).

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Death of scum like Osama is great news, I will open a champagne bottle today evening to celebrate it with friends. The only sad things about his death is that I didnt get the opportunity to take a piss on his corpse and that he wasnt subjected to a 6 month continuous rape by homosexual rapists, which he so richly would have deserved.
But dont worry Eki, I am sure you will find a new hero soon.

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Originally Posted by Eki

So were George W Bush, Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln, Harry Truman, Richard Nixon, etc.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I would respectfully suggest to you that perhaps the people on the streets celebrating are not representative of the Western people as a whole.

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Yeah, it is a shame so few were celebrating the death of such scum.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

That someone happens to be responsible for the death on thousands of people. People seem to have forgotten that he was, indirectly at least, behind an attack where ordinary people like me and you were flown into skyscrapers for no real reason whatsoever. Fight against terrorism or crime that matter will never end but that is not a reason to stop fighting. They cheered because they thought justice was done. Having said that, I wouldn't celebrate anyone's death but I can sort of understand why they did it.

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Many of these people had their loved ones die a horrendous death due to this scum, I would have celebrated too.
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To me it seems that Americans can never do anything right. Whatever they do, they are always criticised.[/QUOTE]There is a bunch of people who attack USA for whatever they do, forgetting that without USA the world would be a much poorer and worse place.

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Edit: The best thing about this whole matter is the fact that Obama might be re-elected because of this.

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That is the worst thing about it

Good riddance to Osama. Killed while trying to be hiding behind his wife, wanting to make a like a rabbit.

Not surprizing, as this type of behavior has often been seen in "leaders" who have no problem sending and encouraging others to go get killed, but run like dogs at the first sign of any danger to themselves

It is funny how the Demes lashed out at Bush for the interrogations at Gitmo, yet those waterboardings are exactly what lead to his killing. Even funnier is how Demes have tried to blame Bush for 911 and all the rest, and now want to give Obama credit for killing Osama.

Bush did not deserve blame nor credit; similarly, nor does Obama deserve credit, but given that obama knew this place was hiding him since last august, he might have deserved blame if he waited so long, that Osama left and ran off somewhere else..

all this crap about a muslim burial and such. They should have fed his body to the dogs and burned the bones. People deserve the same murdeous painful death that they have caused to others, an eye for an eye. But alas, just like modern brits, we have lost our backbone when it comes to such things.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

That's an incredibly biased and shortsighted view of things. Should the US have not funded the Taliban and allowed Afghanistan to fall? Countries like China and Russia are fine to deal with at a distance when they're selling you arms and so on, but if they're just next door it's not such a good thing......

I think as with the issues that the UK and US have had with Islamic extremists you've got to separate the people of Pakistan from the actions of a few unless there is concrete proof that the govt is behind any attacks or else you run the risk of radicalising people as the war on terror did with many mainstream muslims after Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded.

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agree with your second point. Sorry if i come across as a biased guy though , Pakistan has given me little reason to believe that they are doing anything significant in the world apart from being a nuisance of the highest order.

Even if you look at the Korea conflict or the Vietnam conflict , Doesn't make either side right. Afghan had a border with Soviet Republic and probably USSR had a claim to Afghanistan , the point being that US created a monster by funding the Taliban which came back right @ them biting them where the sun don't shine. I'm not condoning the actions of USSR in Afghanistan but where the US policy really gets me is that they were prepared to fund millions to a military dictatorship (Pakistan) in supplying them weapons against a Democratic country. Where has all the talk of US being a shining light of democracy gone :?: