The Indy 500.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Simple as that.
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The Indy 500.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Simple as that.
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Originally Posted by TURN3
What do you have against Sam?
Sam's accomplishments in Indy Cars are right there for you. Can you read? Can you comprehend?
Would you rather us add another no talent hack instead? Or someone who won 3 Indy Car championships and is a Indy 500 winner?
Penske cares MOST about winning the Indy 500. Who do you think would give him the better chance of doing that? Hornish or Briscoe?
Enough said.
He won 8 races.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
He won a championship.
He won Indy.
In Penske's book, that makes him one of the great ones that has driven for him.
As a comparison, Sam won 8 races for Penske in 4 years. Al Jr. won 12 races for Penske in 6 years. Both averaged 2 wins a year. Both won Indy once with Roger. Both won a championship with Roger.
Is Al Jr one of Penske's "great ones"? I think most would say yes.
It's been pretty entertaining watching everyone go back and forth over Sam Hornish, and I've been content to sit on the sidelines and take it all in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty G.
Now finally something prompts me to write.
I'd say the fields were stronger back when Al Jr was driving for Penske compared to when Hornish was there, and Penske probably know it as well. Do I know this as fact? Of course not. Just like everyone else, an opinion.
I have nothing against Sam, I do have something against you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty G.
I've not discredited Sam's accomplishments in the least. I've stated quite clearly what an accomplished open wheel oval racer he was. I've also recognized the fact he is a former Indy winner, albeit the only year he did anything at Indy, it only takes once (see Mario Andretti).
Nope, I've never said Sam is a no talent hack. I do think however that you are a hack. You're going through about your 4th or 5th point, all of which have been blown up by others or myself. This is a typical thread where you're involved.
Since you're choking yourself to death, lets make it simple. The bottom line is, Sam is not coming back to Indycar with Penske and unless he has sponsors, he isn't coming back to run for a team like Coyne or Conquest either. If there were rumors of him in a 2nd car at Panther I would give that some credence because of their history and the fact they don't compete for championships...they compete for Indy. But, those rumors aren't even out there in lieu of Wilson, Rahal, Wheldon, Carpenter, etc. Doesn't seem to be in the works at this point. The only time you have a prayer to see him is at Indy driving in circles on a 1 off. The sooner you realize that and quit making yourself look like an idiot, the sooner you can get to the next topic that will make you look like an idiot all over again.
I'm really sorry you're embarassing yourself like this Scotty. Its ok to face the fact your great American hope won't be Sam Hornish. Maybe you should get on the bandwagon of somebody else? Who would you suggest?
Al fell apart while at Penske - I would not rate him as a great PENSKE driver.... Really the great Penske drivers (i.e. the drivers that had long and productive careers mostly on his team ) were/ are : Donahue, Mears, & Castroneves. Great drivers who had great stints with Penske - both elder Unsers & Fittapaldi and probably Unser Jr. Decent drivers who had decent runs Sneva, Sullivan, DeFerran, Tracy, Hornish. Great drivers who had marginal results (with Penske) Andretti, Bettenausen. Also rans, Bobby Allison, Bill Alsup, Kevin Cogan, Andre Ribero, Gonzalo Rodriguez (RIP). I am sure I am missing some people - but perhaps not - Penske has been pretty stable over the years.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty G.
My point is, I don't think Sam rates a de facto open seat at Penske.
If we could move onto actual news:
I haven't seen it anywhere other than the front page of AR1 yet but sounds like Rahal has himself a pretty good gig. Wonder what his salary is out of that $10M. As details emerge it will be interesting to hear everybody's thoughts on this.
Chip finally got that third car.
Andretti Autosport
Marco
Danica
TBD/RHR
RHR might go with TK to NHR.
Penske Racing/Team Penske Racing
Power
HCN
Briscoe
Target Chip Ganassi
Dixon
Dario
Rahal
A.J. Foyt Enterprises
Vitor
KVRT
Ride buyer ~1
Ride buyer ~2
Panther
Wilson
de Ferran Dragon Racing
Pagenaud
TBD
HVM
SDS
Conquest
Baguett/TBD
TBD
FAZZT
Tagliani
TBD/No $$
Newman Hass
TK
RHR/TBD
Dreyer and Reinbold Racing
Conway
TBD 2
TBD 3
Money and ride rides buyers fill this team out.
Sarah Fisher Racing
Fisher/TBD
Dale Coyne Racing
Ride buyer 1
Ride buyer 2
So HVM lost their primary sponsor, now partners up with Lola to run in ALMS, and you still say they will run an IndyCar effort? For which they are still short a chassis?
According to the press release Wiggins put out (on Racer & SpeedTv) it sounds like they are committed to run IndyCar next year. If they actually show up or not remains to be seen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Enjun Pullr